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~13 people in the US have died from a "shooting"during 8 separate events 7 days into 2024, another ~30 injured.
I'm also not saying state enforced concealed carry bans are the way, but you guys gotta do something.
About half were murder suicides, a quarter were drive-by shootings and the last quarter were bar/party fights.
How many of those shootings were committed by someone who has a CHL? How many are committed by felons or criminals who are already prohibited from carrying any guns anywhere?
Yeah, it's nuts how weak this California bill was and we can't even that passed. Legit pathetic.
Can't imagine having to raise kids in this country. Parents are brave, not giving a shit about all the legal guns
Armed parents are brave, they care about all the illegal guns.
Sadly were stuck between "ban guns" and "ban banning guns" with little to no consideration for the underlying issues.
I guess that's too hard a platform to campaign on, though
Pro/con 100% ban is an easy lever to pull unfortunately, for all sides. Republicans get essentially free votes and campaign dollars from very active and hardline single-issue voters, Democrats get fundraising and media time from pushing restrictions (regardless of efficacy). The needle moves left a little here, right a little there, but the core of 2A and the societal effects are untouched.
The huge number of suicides get shuffled off to ‘we need better mental health’ soundbites and individual responsibility to ‘reach out if you can’t cope’. Red flag laws may not survive court challenges surrounding due process post-Heller ruling with strict scrutiny, but there needs to be something there for imminent harm prevention.
Taking guns away from domestic abusers gets a pass because both sides don’t dare pull on that thread, lest 25-40% of police officers be disarmed because they abuse their partners. Best we can do for 4473 denials for those under restraining order, and prior convictions apparently?
There’s hope for a positive way forward, but it’s not done by laser focusing on the problem as a purely gun issue. It’s a mixture of social and economic issues that manifest largely in intra-community violence, and while I’ve only seen Oakland CA take a crack at untangling that one, they’ve seen results already.
You can prosecute someone for lying on a 4473, but they don't.
It’s still a crime that’ll get you 5 years though. If prosecutors routinely drop/plea away gun charges that’s a judicial issue that should be addressed. Mandatory minimums are not a good solution, but there’s apparently reduced interest in securing convictions for gun charges versus drug and/or violent crimes
Persons convicted of domestic abuse are prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm. It is a crime for a prohibited person to attempt to purchase a firearm. I only meant to point out that there is an opportunity to go a step further than just denying the sale at the 4473 stage.
I agree.
Common sense, data and actual arguments? Yes, those are completely useless as a platform since post-factual populism has replaced real politics.
No votes or money in actually reading the amendment or looking at the spring loaded bolt common to all semi-auto weapons. (Not just the scary looking ones). If we can't even do that what hope do we have of actually bringing our mental health system back, or dealing with the orphan crushing machine that drives many people to crime in the first place.
Legal cigarettes smokable anywhere make it easier for illegal cigarettes to proliferate, and harder to tell who is actually allowed to smoke them.
Plenty of citizens in developed countries where this doesn't happen have the right to own and carry guns.
The real things that need to be done are fixing underlying, structural problems, and it would likely take about 2-3 generations to largely fix. There are a lot of problems that contribute the rate of violence, so fixing any one thing, by itself, isn't going to have an enormous effect. And there are groups of people that are actively trying to accelerate the problems, because they believe that there are certain moral or religious arguments at stake, rather than utilitarian ones.
Lots and lots of violence could be reduced by reducing poverty; not many people get involved in crime when they have other good options. But hey, that's socialism. Dems say they want to do things like that, but Dems generally have a problem with doing what they claim they want to do because there are a lot of NIMBY Dems--e.g., it's a nat'l platform that people should have access to affordable housing, but if you try to re-zone for affordable housing in a wealthy Democratic supermajority area, you'll quickly find out that they want affordable housing somewhere else--and Dems that want social change only if it doesn't mean they have to change. (IIRC, there was a certain communist author that pointed out that many of the communists in their area were petty bourgeoisie that believed they would have more after a revolution, rather than being proletariat that just wanted decent wages.)
That said, despite public perceptions, violent crimes are down for 2023. IIRC, homicide rates are also down by several percentage points.