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Signs not having the force of law doesn't make gun owners a protected class, it just puts an explicitly enumerated right on par with every other day to day activity. If you wear a fanny pack into a convenience store with a "no bags" sign you don't go straight to jail and if you walk into a McDonalds without a shirt or shoes they have to ask you to leave before it's the actual crime of trespassing. Guns are literally the only scenario where in some states ignoring a single sign on publicly open private property is an actual crime.
Fun Fact, if you ignore the No Guns sign the first thing that happens is you get asked to leave.
And again, private companies are not responsible to the Constitution. You do not have Constitutional rights in the court of Walmart.
So yes, requiring specific signs and telling some businesses they don't qualify for signs is absolutely creating a semi-protected class. You are telling some private businesses they cannot refuse you service for carrying a gun, just like they couldn't do so for you being black.
That's not what this law says. This law says that if there isn't a sign specifically permitting guns you leave in handcuffs on first contact without first being asked. Being asked to leave and refusing to being charged as trespassing is what is referred to as "signs not having the force of law" and is the default "protected class" scenario you're talking about. In states that have stricter laws where signs have the force of law it is a crime even if they don't ask you to leave.
I'm not talking about California's law. I'm talking about states that require a sign to turn away people carrying, like Arizona. I think I've made that very clear by now.
So you’re saying that there should be no gun owner exception to private property and it should be just like everything else where if you’re asked to leave and refuse it’s trespassing but a sign alone doesn’t make it a crime without a specific request from the property owner? Got it.