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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I trust the provider, and it's a small amount I'm willing to risk. Just don't want to throw it away, be frustrated, or get involved with shady people.

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For those people who are wondering why I would ask Lemmy strangers about my money decisions, let me tell you my thinking.

I am in the decision making process. One of the things I do when making decisions is gather information from a variety of sources. I then weigh that information as to how useful I find it, research any possible leads, and use it as a launching point for my own investigation. I find that beats the hell out of googling whatever I can think up on my own in a field where I have no experience whatsoever.

For clarification, I'm not telling anyone else how to do anything. You humans live your life however you want, and I respect you as individuals with opinions of your own. Live how you want to live, choose how you want to choose, be how you want to be.

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[-] centof@lemm.ee -5 points 10 months ago

Why would you hate someone for their beliefs? Is it really such a bad thing to hope and advocate for a future where government doesn't control the value of your money?

[-] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I get it philosophically, but..

crypto = no underlying value (unless it was a 1:1 ratio with some measurement of electricity like a bond almost, ideally being a unit of energy we exchange unto itself)

so for now..

money = government

Plus, we'd need someway to independently run, manage, and maintain an autonomous system outside of the government controlled infrastructure. Which, unless we make serious energy/education/resource breakthroughs is not going to happen anytime soon sadly.

[-] centof@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

Some good points there. I would say money is value backed by (state sanctioned) violence while crypto is money backed by a proof of electronic work.

Ultimately humans create value. Simply using crypto gives it value. Government money(fiat) only has value because people and and organizations agree it has value.

Monero is a crypto that tries to be like cash in its anonymity and commitment to nontracking. It has legimate and 'illegimate' uses just like cash. You can buy VPNs privately with monero or you can buy dark market goods.

Monero is to cash as lemmy is reddit. Similar to how social media platforms like facebook and reddit are prone to the network effect so is money.

[-] doppelgangmember@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's a good philosophy but that's just it. Crypto should've remained closeto it's philosophical roots.

The government legalizing manipulation of crypto by making them "assets" ruined any real implementation by tethering it to the fiat currencies. So crypto is now a moot point sadly that doesn't retain it's original anarchist intentions.

I know a lot about Monero and Ring Token technology. Used it plenty. Doesn't matter. Still tied to fiat and manipulation by proxy. Even if private. What's the real issue with this tethering you ask?

Authoritarian Control

Governmental overreach being able to examine any of your accounts and almost see a one-to-one with your deposits is a red flag. No, they cant see the amounts on the other end (Monero's private ledger). But all security is an illusion, especially for the now government backed tech like this. Eventually Ring tech will be broken by AI, ML, Quantum, or many. Plus, the exchange reports your purchases and sells that data too (legally now).

Even if you use LocalMonero and do it in-person, you have IP Addresses (bc no VPNs usually), messages between seller and buyer, and purchase amounts potentially all under the authority of private entities. Unless you've some serious connections.

All the government has to do is make it illegal to participate in crypto at all and now it becomes dead tech again (for better or worse).

Thank you for your input though! Not trying to be defeatist or an alarmist. Just a clarification on my opinions of where the hypothetical train went off the rails.

[-] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago

Crypto is a capitalism scam, not an anarchist idea. You should read up why governments want to regulate currency.

True anarchism of value is about owning the means of value. The black market is common people eschewing government set value. Crypto is a grift like inflated stocks where the last one holding it is the loser.

[-] centof@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

Crypto is a capitalism scam, not an anarchist idea

Source?

Also ooh scary buzzwords, that mean nothing in this context.

You should read up why governments want to regulate currency.

I might if you link me to some recommend links or sources where I can. My understanding is it is mostly to control the money supply.

Crypto is a grift like inflated stocks where the last one holding it is the loser.

Most crypto projects are grifts, I acknowledge that. Even so a few cryptos have actual legitimate use cases like monero.

But I don't see how stocks has anything to do with that. Cash is used for MLM scams does that mean I shouldn't use cash for anything?

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