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How was the Snowflake proxy used in 2023?
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If they could run their own SSL-VPNs and then access TOR through them, like I described, would there be a point in Snowflake?
Snowflake works for people that may not be able to get crypto or anonymous cash per letter. How would they pay the VPN?
Ah, I forgot that Monero in exchange for cash might not be an option here. Apologies, you're right. With that, I'd also like a comparison of security between these two approaches
Snowflake is encrypted but I dont know with what protocol. TLS at least so at least as secure as the regular internet including all banking sites.
Yeah, Snowflake being tied to this one use case also prevents abuse. Imagine having "free VPN ran on my Computer for the Iranians", that would be abused like hell.
They could. But in countries where internet access is restricted by authorities, running any more than an insignificant amount of traffic over a VPN, even protocols as stealthy as the ones that make them indistinguishable from website (http/s) traffic, can be noticable... and being noticed can get you killed.
Snowflake, on the other hand, runs proxies to users of the snowflake browser extension, who act as entry points. It's named so because connections are ephemeral, and last for a short time, like snowflakes. This makes it much harder to distinguish.
It's not only about what internet traffic, it's also about where.
And of course, the how is relevant too. Not many people want to spend the time to set up an ssl vpn (and multiple people using it makes it easier to spot).
You need to understand what you're asking when you suggest people set up their own proxy. You're asking them to learn a skill, most likely in their free time (free time and energy they may not even have), and without many resources to learn (censored internet), and then rest their lives and livelihoods on that skill. Depending on the regime, maybe the lives of their friends and family, as well.
Comparatively, it's like two clicks to select snowflake as an entrypoint in the tor browser configuration options.
I completely understand the point about Snowflake having been created for use in such scenarios.
Your comment raised a couple of interesting points though.
And let's be honest here: TOR isn't exactly the most private network on the planet. It's well known that TOR devs collaborate with the 5 eyes and have backdoors built in, alongside the American agencies having access to a lot of the traffic on TOR to be able to mathematically deduce origin and destination of traffic including up to the point of clearnet IP addresses.