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this post was submitted on 22 Jan 2024
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This isn't the strategy you think it is. If someone who isn't already on board with what you're saying sees/hears "IOF terrorist," they're going to either not grasp what you mean and be confused/think you made a mistake, or get what you mean and see it as petty, edgy, and reaching. It's like calling U.S. troops terrorists: it's not actually going to land with anyone besides those who already agree with you.
Remember, it doesn't matter how right you are, what matters is what gets people to change their minds.
"Israeli soldier" pushes back on the "defense force" euphemism but isn't going to confuse anyone and won't be written off as too hot of a take.
I get what you're saying but im personally at the point where ive ran out of things to say to the people who sit on the center of this, what else is left to explain while people are actively getting genocided?
The time for changing minds was years ago, now the only people left defending isreal are literal genocide apologists
I think there are lots of persuadable people out there who very deeply want to believe the U.S. does not do these sorts of horrible things (or at least doesn't do them anymore). They don't see a genocide and think to apologize for it, or deny the reality of what they see -- they start from the premise that of course we aren't doing genocide, and reject anything that challenges that too directly as biased or misleading. It's a set of mental reflexes designed to avoid uncomfortable contradictions like "if the U.S. is right now doing a fast-motion genocide under a president I voted for, how do I respond?"
There's another large group of people who aren't really genocide apologists: people who don't follow politics of any kind very closely, and who have a similar reflexive rejection of anything they see as too radical of a political stance. These are the folks who nod along to all of our critiques of capitalism and the U.S., but punch out when you label those critiques socialism or communism.
Yes I suppose you're right, my frustations more lie in the people who take it a step further and dont just fence sit, but actively cheer on the IDF; I just cant be bothered trying to convince someone whos baseline is posting memes about dead palestenian children. We should keep appealing to the uneducated or misninformed but not the ones who know better.