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An example of said training given to the untrained.
https://youtu.be/kUfF2MTnqAw?feature=shared
I wouldn't want to die that way.
The pain might not be there but the realisation is.
He's able to state that he doesn't want to die, but needs help putting the mask on.
It's a slow mental death, even if not a physically painful one, it's slow.
The humane way to kill someone is quick and painless. Not slow and painless. This is better than the injection which is slow and painful but still not humane.
Your video shows exactly how painless it is, and in fact how it can cause euphoria instead. Besides, this execution method is fundamentally different because it removes oxygen completely while maintaining normal pressure, causing unconsciousness to happen much faster with fewer physiological responses.
Obviously execution is heinous at its very core, but your criticisms don’t seem to line up with the scientific facts.
Only when he knows he's not meant to die.
If he was told he was going to die he'd be crying at the moment he realised he was dying. Which as you can see from the first time he said "I don't want to die" would be several minutes.
"Scientific facts" are studies. We're just people on the internet giving opinions.
YOU are giving opinions, I am giving facts. Here are a few peer reviewed studies that support my statements:
Really, inert gas hypoxia is quite painless and fast, it’s a decent way to go. That being said, execution is barbaric practice we have no need of.
Well one of those is disputed by evidence directly. 5-10 seconds is clearly in a context irrelevant to the discussion.
But I'm glad you got a hit on your Google scholar search.
Care to read the papers too?
I don't, you're not displaying any reason at all.
I did read the papers and this process is extraordinarily similar to the process that is going to be used in the execution (immediate removal of all oxygen). Quote from the article:
This is exactly the context that is relevant to the discussion. Did you possibly have something else in mind?
That's simply not how breathing works.
This is stating unconsciousness "within seconds". How many.
120 is a normal range to pass out from complete oxygen deprivation.. That's also countable in minutes. It ranges from 30-180 seconds.
It's slow.
Read the papers.
I highly doubt you know more than the US Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board, who said:
Or the European Industrial Gases Association:
(They also said that fainting is “almost immediate” with oxygen concentrations below 6% by volume.)
You profess to know how breathing works, but I believe that we need to trust the experts whose job it is to research these things. I have linked ample research that supports my points and you have given nothing supporting yours. Either put up some evidence or leave it be.
Read the actual papers. You're quoting the minimum time as the full range.
It's up to 3 minutes.
Fast and painless are not the only criteria. Looking at how america typically kills it's citizens it also clear that it has to look peaceful and respectful. Thats why they put a bag over people getting electrocuted and why they don't just fire a shotgun at your head from a close distance.
How it looks to others is not important in my view. If it looks horrible to kill someone that's because it is.
Making it worse to make it appear better is actually pretty abhorrent as far as reasoning goes.
But looking at how America typically kills its citizens means looking at the police. Because deaths caused by the police far outnumber executions.
Those deaths often look pretty horrific.