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no one is saying they're going to vote for trump. they're saying they won't vote for biden
Lmao, that's the epitome of something that sounds smart but is incredibly stupid when you think about it. Especially in response to this meme.
In FPTP not voting for the chosen democratic representative means one vote less is required for the conservative. It doesn't matter if that's because you added a vote for Democrats, or didn't vote at all. Same for voting 3rd party, it just ensures you get the candidate you want the least.
I agree with this. Choosing a lesser evil in a FPTP, bicameral political system is not the answer. Pushing for ranked choice voting is the answer, and one step towards proportional representation like what we see in the EU.
And not voting is never the answer.
that the epitome of something that sounds smart but is incredibly stupid
I voted for Howie in 2020 and Biden won. you don't seem to know how voting works.
You don't seem to know what anecdotal evidence or statistical analysis works.
Biden barely won, and you didn't get the candidate you wanted. In 2016, it's people like you who gave trump the victory
people who voted for Trump gave him the victory. 50 years of people like Joe biden running the Democrat party gave Trump the victory. don't blame me.
But they've been running the conservative party the same way for 50 years too. You're literally admitting to hate Biden so much you let the conservatives win even if that meant making the US worse.
Literally what the meme is about. Tell us, what have you gained from it aside from more frustration and hate? Biden didnt learn anything from 2016. You can blame biden when you lose your democracy, but you'll still have lost your democracy. I wouldn't wait for Biden to fix that. The democratic party is more than one person making decisions, and handing the power to your enemy is not how you make changes within your own team.
the democrats aren't my team.
no, i'm not
this claim is obviously false, since I have provided proof against it. if you want to weaken the claim, moving the goalposts, that's fine, but don't break a sweat.
Not sure if you're just being intentionally thick or a troll.
Youre explaining yourself that despite you voting against him, Biden won, and you didn't want Trump and the person you voted for didn't win. So your actions gave you the least chance of having a candidate you were aligned with.
If anything, you are giving proof that it's a dumb thing to do. But that would be anecdotal evidence, and there's no need for that.
If you manually run the results and the effects of 3rd parties, it's pretty clear that it makes no sense in First Past the Post.
It's a thing known as The spoiler effect, or vote splitting and has always been a documented thing that dumb people don't understand. Who do you think funds these 3rd parties in the first place...
Youre being played.
if i'm just too thick to understand, a big big dummy, then you better make sure the vote isn't split: vote with me.
I'll vote 3rd party when they legally and statistically have as much chance to win as the others, which doesn't work in First Past The Post.
First they need to change the voting system, then it will be advantageous for me to vote for someone else. Until then my vote is too important to throw away
I'll vote for Democrats when they support my politics.
Cool. Keep playing purity politics and let the world go to hell in a handbasket.
it's not about purity.
What else is it about then? Trump will enable more genocides not less. Not getting your hands dirty seems to be the motivation I've seen among people who espouse this view point.
But you will get you're hands dirty if you don't vote in the election where fascists are trying to overthrow our democracy.
My brother in Christ, as far as number of voters are considered, your vote is causing the split. You're in a minority which is enabling GOP by taking away votes from DNC.
Idiot.
i was aligned with the candidate for whom i voted, and i was not aligned with the candidates i voted against.
In 2016, everyone who voted 3rd party got Trump, the candidate they wanted the least.
In 2020, everyone who voted 3rd party was either going to get Biden, (the candidate they are moderately aligned with), or Trump, the candidate they were least aligned with.
In both cases, people who voted 3rd party made their chances worse. If you want more parties, the laws needs to change first, or else you're just wasting your vote and giving it to conservatives, who benefit from your 3rd party vote the most. You may not like it, but you are playing for Conservatives in the political game, and that goes for people who don't vote too.
everyone who voted for hilary got trump, too
implying I'm stupid is just ad hominem.
you are assuming I don't understand them. you are just calling me stupid without consider8that I might disagree.
no, i'm giving it to leftists.
Why bother voting at all? What difference does your non-Democrat, non-Republican vote make? If you really feel the need to be self-righteous about it, save yourself the energy, stay home, and just tell people you voted for Cornel West or whoever. They'll never know otherwise.
why are you trying to suppress voter turnout?
I'm not trying to suppress anything. It was a question. Again: Why are you expending the energy to vote if you know your candidate won't win?
You haven't answered it. Will you?
you will forgive me if I don't believe you are "just asking questions". it feels like sealioning to me. and I read the repetition and demand for an answer as petulance.
Are you 12
Yeah and we could find one person who voted for vermin supreme, Biden still won. What would their point be if they were here, I wonder? Speaking of points, what's yours?
Oh man give me Vermin Supreme. I think he could make a real difference.
no one is saying they’re going to vote for trump. they’re saying they won’t vote for biden
Therefore Trump wins. Abstaining is still an action, and still has an effect as much as you want to be above it all on your moral high horse.
I expect to have more choices on my ballot
So is it just sheer stubbornness or do you not care about making the country worse by insisting on splitting the vote?
i only vote for people i want to win. if you vote for anyone regardless of whether you want them to win, then i'd say it's you who is splitting the vote by not voting with the people who have principles.
I wish we had more choices, but I'm smart enough to not expect it out of our broken democracy.
The end result is the same.
no, it's not.
I mean it practically is. The happy pain supporters will still show up to dish out their warped idea of hateful justice.
If water was flooding into your house and you said you won't bother to turn the water main off because the roof is failing you still end up with a flooded house.
The incident is happening whether or not you participate in it. The best you can do is push against it even if it's tiring and doesn't fix all things. And unless you are ending your own existence then you will be around to experience the fallout.
Self inflicted pain still hurts even if you think it's deserved. I know it's rough but the world keeps spinning without your input. Fate is for those that do not act.
Fascinating