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I am not misunderstanding it.
The non-fallacious usage of appeal to authority only applies to inductive reasoning; however inductive reasoning does not allow you to claim things with certainty.
And the core of this matter here is a bunch of muppets claiming things with certainty, about a topic that they cannot reliably know, and the claim turning out false, regardless of what the "ekspurrts" said.
(The same applies to any other genetic fallacy, including ad populum, ad hominem, etc.)
Emphasis mine. You're distorting what I said; refer to the fourth paragraph of the very comment that you're replying to. In simpler words, "you don't get to know after someone else's claim".
It is automatically a fallacy as long as used to back up any sort of certainty (i.e. deductive reasoning). The conclusion itself might be true or false but it is not reliable.
At most you can use the authority of the claimer as a criterion for inductive reasoning; stronger if someone in the field, weaker if from a barely related field. That would be valid. But guess what - even with the best criteria, inductive reasoning still fails.
The meaning conveyed by my usage of "appeal of authority" is aligned with the definitions within those three sites. What you're referring to would be a second fallacy.
The possibility of authorities being wrong is so theoretical, but so theoretical, that you're commenting in a thread that doesn't exist! [/sarcasm]
Side notes / off-topic:
I find it rather hilarious that you're trying to warn me against discourse in the vein of "I assume you're ignorant, so let me enlighten you' while literally doing it yourself. You can try to pretend you're not in #3, but you literally just spent like 8 paragraphs trying to do so. Incorrectly, at that, but since you clearly think you're so much smarter than all the ignorant "muppets" (as you put it) out there who you're dismissing as band-wagoners without doing any of your beloved deductive reasoning on the proof they've been providing I doubt you'll actually consider it for a moment.
Even funnier is the fact that you're trying to drag out all these debates about the exact definitions and semantics when in the end this only came up because of your own strawman in the first place- that being your own assumption that an appeal to authority was even happening in the first place, when I specifically noted that one should examine what the experts are saying instead of just dismissing them as band-wagoners.