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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 23 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Question: If Russia has no intention of fighting NATO then why would they give a fuck if Georgia joined NATO? If they were afraid of NATO invasion, as silly as that is, could they not just offer Georgia a similar mutual defense agreement? I cannot imagine any circumstance other than overt greed and expansionism that would require them to invade Georgia.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah it is all bullshit. All the Eastern European countries that could, joined NATO in speedrun, because they knew Russia will claim them back as soon as it is capable to do so. Ukraine and Belarus decided to maintain good relationships, and look at how it paid back.

Russia is a cancer and the countries that hate them the most are their closest neighbors, exactly because they know what kind of cunt the Mother Russia is.

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because that would remove Georgia from Russia's sphere of influence. They could no longer de facto dominate Georgia and Georgia would already be armed if a conflict with NATO started.

They do offer their own pact, called the CSTO, Collective Security Treaty Organization.

I think that's why they invaded Georgia, overt greed. To be fair that also plays a role in NATO expansion. NATO won't accept a country that can't pull its own weight unless it has some kind of strategic value or economic value. It must be worth defending.

[–] Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I never said they did. However they do insist that everyone participate in their "rules based trade system." What happens to the countries that don't want to participate or would rather have another trade system? What about countries that don't want dollar dominance? It doesn't go well.

[–] Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you don't follow the rules of trading then don't be surprised if no one wants to trade with you. It is not our job to support you playing queen bee.

And if you want to do your deals with some Banana Republic Monopoly Money, feel free to do so but be aware you have to pay higher prices as risk compensation if you want to trade with me.

People don't trade With Dollar and Euro because they MUST but because it is the most economical method. Stop believing the Propaganda of Left, Right and Islamo Extremists.

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you think the rules were made fairly? They weren't, they were designed to entrench US dominance. Furthermore they've been weaponized to punish "competitors," either rightly or wrongly. For this reason several countries are making moves to undermine dollar dominance, and it appears to be on its way out. Stick your head out of the Western media bubble and have a more objective opinion on the situation.

[–] Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Bro, whatever you have taken. Lessen it.

The Rules of Free Market are not "made" but "accepted". I know, for conspiracy paranoids this is hard to grasp but sometimes things are just the way they are by nature.

And that Dollar and Euro dominate the financial market is nothing magic but simply the fact that they are free, stable, reliable and backed by huge industrial power. But feel free to use the Eritrean Nakfa instead to pay your bills. Tells us how well it worked.

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The rules were definitely made and were accepted by most of the world for awhile. That is currently changing, to what, we don't know. Yes, the Dollar and Euro are stable for now, but other major players in the world are uneasy with the way sanctions are being used, thus they are actively seeking to undermine this regime.

Hey so maybe stop being a dick too? This discussion really isn't that exciting.

[–] Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Talk like an adult, at least if you are one.

How well other currencies work we see in the Russia-India Trade Relations. Russia must accept India Rupies for which the Russians can not buy one single thing they actually need. And the Renminbi from the Chinese are forced upon them at an exchange course so far from reality that it is easier to buy dollars on the black market for Russia. Iran and Russia do not even trade in money anymore as both currencies are so volatil and non-usable that they now do barter trade.

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why are you such an ass? If you're actually trying to teach me something then you're failing miserably due to your attitude. TaLk lIkE aN aDuLT, ffs. Who do you think you are?

Anyway, for any curious readers who have, for some reason, dived this deep into this comment thread: Here's some relatively recent shit from JP Morgan that doesn't quite line up with the snark my new friend is regurgitating. There may be subtle signs that de-dollarization is beginning, for example:

...some Indian refiners have begun paying for Russian oil purchased via Dubai-based traders in dirhams, while others are considering doing so in yuan. Saudi Arabia is reportedly exploring the acceptance of payments in other currencies. In addition, major Russian commodity producers have started issuing bonds in yuan. In September 2022, state-owned oil company Rosneft made a public offering of 10 billion yuan in bonds, followed by a second tranche of 15 billion yuan in March 2023.

There's a bit more in the article, but where there's a will there's a way. It'll take awhile, but global dollar dominance is on its way out.

[–] Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why are you such an ass?

Aw, did my little Friend just met someone who is not impressed by his angry foot stomping? How cute...

[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What angry foot stomping? If anyone is angry and stomping it's you. You started out hostile for no reason whatsoever. Plus you had one of my comments removed that called out your behavior. Very petty.

[–] Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

This is mildly interesting.

[–] hark@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Do you think if eastern nations made a "defensive alliance" and included Mexico that the US would be fine with it?

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you think the US would be justified in such a situation to invade Mexico, and would you support it?

[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Depends on what the "defensive alliance" is trying to do.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Same that NATO is "trying to do" I suppose

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You basically just described Cuba, though? The USA didn't like Castro but we didn't launch a fullscale war right before the Cuban Missile Crisis.