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[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 93 points 9 months ago

If they hand you a gun and tell you to march off to die in a foreign land, turn the gun around on your killer.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 85 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

LOL, the support of Ukraine is happening exactly so we don't get WW3 and won't have to send our soldiers to fight.

Anyone who thinks Ukraine is Russia's ultimate goal is extremely naive.

It wasn't Crimea, it wasn't Georgia, it wasn't Chechnya. It won't stop until

Here's a quick summary of what it is about: https://youtu.be/M6tsp4mFix8

This is a book published in 1997 which Putin was following and largely until full invasion of Ukraine everything was going smoothly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

[-] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 14 points 9 months ago

Ffs. Russia is not going to fight NATO. Why'd they attack Georgia in 2008? Answer: To prevent them from joining NATO. Why'd they attack Ukraine? Answer: to prevent them from joining NATO. Russia is not dumb enough to fight anything that can throw nukes, that's why they're preventing the NATO umbrella from covering (what they consider to be) their sphere of influence.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 23 points 9 months ago

Question: If Russia has no intention of fighting NATO then why would they give a fuck if Georgia joined NATO? If they were afraid of NATO invasion, as silly as that is, could they not just offer Georgia a similar mutual defense agreement? I cannot imagine any circumstance other than overt greed and expansionism that would require them to invade Georgia.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago

Yeah it is all bullshit. All the Eastern European countries that could, joined NATO in speedrun, because they knew Russia will claim them back as soon as it is capable to do so. Ukraine and Belarus decided to maintain good relationships, and look at how it paid back.

Russia is a cancer and the countries that hate them the most are their closest neighbors, exactly because they know what kind of cunt the Mother Russia is.

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[-] takeda@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

They didn't plan to join NATO. Ukraine had a single digit percentage interest in NATO before crimea.

Russia doesn't want Eastern European countries in NATO, because it makes it much harder to take them over.

NATO is a defensive alliance, and is no danger to Russia except for their imperialist goals. Best example of it is after Finland joined NATO Russia removed their troops from that border. That's right Russia now has less troops there than they had when they were imaging Ukraine.

And one last thing: even if it was true, since when Russia can decide for sovereign nation who they form alliances with? The excuse to invade looks exactly as the same bullshit Nazi Germany invented with Poland (both claiming to save German minorities and also that was actually planning to invade Germany). They are not even original.

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[-] ElegantBiscuit@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

Their plan isn’t to fight NATO directly. It’s to instigate domestic political support in foreign countries against entities like NATO and the EU, and push nationalism and isolationism and defeatism into enough people’s heads so that the bigger countries think it isn’t worth fighting Russia to defend another smaller country that is not their own. It’s about killing the idea of article 5 and thus NATO’s reason to exist, so that Russia can confront each country on a bilateral basis where they have the military advantage if no one is coming to their defense.

This probably wont happen with an assault on a major urban area, but little chunks of unpopulated Finland or Norway. How willing would the American public be to send pilots to die for Lapland? If the major powers blink and don’t feel like committing, Russia continues to escalate, like they’ve been doing for the past 15 years

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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 93 points 9 months ago
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[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 60 points 9 months ago

Why don't Presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?

[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 55 points 9 months ago

Of course not. Millennials are too old and unless things kick off in the next couple years, gen z will be too.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

What are we calling the generation below them? I’m really losing track nowadays.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 43 points 9 months ago

Gen Alpha, they don’t have a nickname yet.

[-] skydivekingair@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Gen A. They’re around middle school and younger now.

[-] SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca 71 points 9 months ago

A whole generation of Forest Gump's girlfriend?

[-] Pohl@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Hey. This is a great joke. Thanks.

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[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 39 points 9 months ago

Millennials volunteered for Iraq.

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[-] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 9 months ago

This sentiment of 'I'm not going to fight' is funny until the war actually starts. And then it's either you fight early, or you fight late. Sometimes too late.

[-] MinusPi@yiffit.net 20 points 9 months ago

Nah. I'd legitimately rather kill myself than fight for my government.

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[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

Before World War I and World War II, many thought things would not escalate until we realised it was far too late. The British intelligence thought the assassination of Franz Ferdinand would only be contained regionally instead of escalating to a world war.

Most wars are class wars and most issues are class issues. But most people are not class conscious. The base tribalism is instead drummed up to distract us from the real root cause. We're seeing the rise of the far right in many countries such as in Europe, US and India. Most of the rise of the right is due to influx of migrants, who are displaced by neocolonial foreign policies of corporate backed governments and capitalism-induced global warming.

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[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 31 points 9 months ago

I mean it definitely depends on the circumstances. If Russia attacks here then I'm absolutely fighting.

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[-] Stanwich@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

As long as they are recruiting the dumbest and poorest from your failing high-schools you'll always have enough for your wars.

[-] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 28 points 9 months ago

Millennial here. Can confirm, I'll be staying home and doing my own thing. One live isn't worth more then another and I'm not going to war. If you're going to put me in jail because I refuse, then maybe I need to find a different country to live in.

[-] kusuriya@infosec.pub 16 points 9 months ago

On the very off chance they restarted the draft, there are tons of reasons the Pentagon would fight conscription, make sure you know asylum procedures or have the stuff ready to immigrate. Run don't try to just ignore the draft.

They, the last time they did the draft, didn't just throw normies into jail, they grabbed them then kicked them over to the military and then if you ran away and got brought back after being AWOL they just deployed you and let happen what happened, regulars frequently discovered that these sorts had... uhh... "accidents" at a more frequent rate.

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[-] tweeks@feddit.nl 23 points 9 months ago

The first gun they'll give me I'll aim at myself and be done with it.

[-] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 9 months ago

You can aim it at your commanding officer first!

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[-] paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 months ago

My kid doesn't particularly want to fight, but she's ok with guns and convinced anarchy will be good for the environment?! Idk, she's not dumb, but these kids have less stake in the institutions than MAGA retirees..

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 9 months ago

Does she mean "anarchy" or Anarchism, a stateless classless society based on voluntary associations?

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[-] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 9 months ago

The fact they will never have the chance to enter the ownership class keeps manifesting in new and interesting ways in the media, at their jobs, in their schools, amongst their social circles. The decline in availability of material wealth destabilizes all.

Yall ever seen Daybreakers? It's kinda corny but it feels more relevant every day.

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[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

So...they are going to send gen x and gen alpha?

[-] klemptor@startrek.website 14 points 9 months ago

Gen X here, fuck that noise.

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[-] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Uhm, doofus, nobody's gonna fight in ww3.

Bombs get launched and we ALL die, that's how ww3 is faught.

It's frightening how little the younger generations understand about nuclear war.

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 60 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There have been plenty of wars fought in the age of nuclear weapons that, strangely enough, have not resulted in the use of nuclear weapons. There's a few of them going on right now, in fact!

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[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Me looking at the handful of declassified missile defense sites and wondering what shit we have that isn't known.

Yeah.. it'll just be that simple Mr. Armchair General.

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[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 months ago

When you show zero loyalty out, it's hard to get loyalty back.

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