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submitted 1 year ago by o_o@programming.dev to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Hi all,

I'm seeing a lot of hate for capitalism here, and I'm wondering why that is and what the rationale behind it is. I'm pretty pro-capitalism myself, so I want to see the logic on the other side of the fence.

If this isn't the right forum for a political/economic discussion-- I'm happy to take this somewhere else.

Cheers!

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[-] lntl@lemmy.sdf.org 82 points 1 year ago

Climate change cannot be addressed under capitalism.

[-] SlothMama@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

This is a big reason I'm anti capitalist as well, it has no mechanism outside of regulation for controlling the usage of resources, and so long as something is profitable it will be pursued.

This natural result is the regulation reduces profit and it is an adversarial relationship. Because Capitalism is incapable of this, and runaway consumption is driving climate change and many ecological problems, Capitalism must either be tamed and tightly controlled, or most likely replaced with a resource aware system, such as a central planning system that considers resource consumption and weighs it against ecological considerations.

To fix things, a drastic shift is necessary, and actually is so far overdue that it's likely too late to do anything other than a near paradigm shift.

[-] FiskFisk33@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Speaking of short term gains, sure,
but isn't it possible to imagine more long term capitalistic goals aligning with actually preserving our well-being?

[-] ora@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 year ago

There's no such thing as long term capitalistic goals. That's the entire point of things like the stock market. The goals of a capitalist enterprise is to make as much money as quickly as possible.

[-] lntl@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Long term goals are too risky for capitalism

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one -4 points 1 year ago

Huh? How do you explain the ban on ozone-depleting gasses? How do you explain carbon trading?

Of course climate change can be addressed under capitalism. It just can’t be addresses without regulation.

[-] golamas1999@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The Montreal Protocol passed because the CFCs industry failed to lobby Reagan against the to be against Protocol. They assumed Reagan would be on their side.

Big oil saw what happened to that industry and lobbied a crap ton. Now just about everyone in the government is sponsored by them.

[-] lntl@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

Capitalism didn't ban ozone depleting gases. It invented them.

[-] prole@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

The only reason we successfully banned CFCs, is because the more environmentally friendly replacement was cheaper.

If the motivations for fighting climate change (or any problem, really) don't align with the profit motive of the affected corporations, nothing will be done.

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