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[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago

Edge re-installing itself after I've manually taken ownership of its files and purged them from the system 6 fucking times is what's going to finally drive me to abandon windows and go full linux.

I just haven't had the time or energy to rebuild my software stack on a still pretty new to me OS. (emby, the Arrs, Ombi, nginx, and more)

I setup a debian machine a while ago and have been slowly trying to get used to it while migrating a few things, but It's hard when windows is so engrained in most of what I've done on pc.

[-] zurohki@aussie.zone 3 points 9 months ago

Edge re-installing itself after I’ve manually taken ownership of its files and purged them from the system 6 fucking times is what’s going to finally drive me to abandon windows and go full linux.

This sort of thing is why I finally switched my gaming PC - I was spending a bunch of time fighting to get Windows to do what I wanted that I figured I might as well be doing all that work on Linux.

At least Linux doesn't deliberately fight me. When I have to spend time getting Linux to do something it's because developers haven't gotten to it yet, not because corporate are enforcing their vision of how I'll use my system.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

Were you on a Windows Pro license and did you tried using group policy settings?

I keep hearing people being frustrated that low level solutions don't work, but I've not heard of anyone having these issues who has used the official tools Microsoft provides for Windows sysadmins (and power users) to actually manage this sort of thing.


I get that logically, it shouldn't matter whether you put a sign up telling Edge to fuck off when you've bulldozed it down six times, but Windows sees that it's gone and your settings (by default with no group policy config) indicate it shouldn't be gone, so it "helpfully" rebuilds it.

Power users are not their market for normal home licenses. Those are for the people who don't know the difference between Edge and Chrome and need protection from making dumb mistakes like deleting Edge and ending up without any web browser. Unfortunately, those are the grand majority of computer users, and it makes good business sense to take advantage of "just helping" to provide a locked down ecosystem and push your software on power users who don't know the management options available.


Windows doesn't do a good job advertising these features, and has made them harder to find by getting rid of a lot of their old non-cloud sysadmin training courses, because it doesn't help them make money. But by no means are these options non-existent.


They offer a Windows version for power users. It's the Pro license, and it doesn't cost significantly more if you're buying a cheap "OEM" key.

If you want to make Windows work for you, look at the tools they have for on premises (non-cloud) Windows system administration in small companies.

KMS (key media server) is one way to manage Windows license keys for multiple machines in a domain. KMSpico emulates that setup on a single machine (no server needed), allowing safe spoofing of whatever level Windows license you want, using the same systems and technique meant for actual sysadmins. Last I knew, that was the safest way to spoof a license if you don't have the ~$15 for one.

Group policy is one of a few ways to push consistent Windows configuration and settings to multiple machines in a domain. It is also an option for managing settings on individual Pro licensed Windows machines. Most of the time when you find weird registry key changes online to enable/disable Windows features, those are part of what Group Policy changes when you use it to disable a feature the proper way. Windows respects group policy options through updates, and releases update to group policy templates as needed. They don't want to fuck with their big business clients that can actually hurt their bottom line, so they keep those working.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

I do have a pro license (for RDP), but I'm not familiar with the group policy editor. Wasn't aware it could disable Edge. I'll have to explore that more. It's rather absurd a user has to go to those lengths to keep data they've deleted, deleted.

Still gonna move to linux. Been a long time coming.

[-] NegentropicBoy@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I moved to Fedora (KDE Plasma) about a year ago. I had researched alternatives for all I needed.

I installed it on a new machine and kept an old windows machine running.

It took a month or so to get things how I liked.

I miss some things in Windows but found some real time saving features in linux, on the whole I am better off.

And I feel a whole lot safer.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago

Side question:

Know a good place I can learn linux user/group/permission management?

I don't understand it well enough so I do a stupid amount of things as root...

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

A good start is using something like sudo rather than logging in as root.

sudo gives your command root permission when it runs. That way you can delete the password from the root account and it can’t be logged in with. sudo will ask for YOUR password and then check if you have permissions to elevate your command to root level.

In a simple setup, you can just use for anything you would normally do as root.

This can protect you from mistakes too, when running commands that you’ve mistyped. For example, if you want to do “rm -rf ./*” to delete all files in the current directory, but you forget the dot (period); if you’re at a root prompt, you just deleted your entire filesystem. If you’re not, then you get a permission error.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago

How do I manage what users can use sudo?

One issue is trying to create a user to run services under, but not knowing how to give it permission to access what it needs (while also not entirely sure what it should/shouldn't have permissions for).

Or just generally managing file permissions. I understand using chmod in a very basic capacity with a few letter arguments like +r, but then you toss in numbers (chmod 777, wut?) and I get lost.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

In addition to what other posters said, some distros allow you to add a user to the “sudo” group (as a secondary group assignment; don’t make it their primary) to allow them sudo access.

Edit your /ect/sudoers file using visudo

[-] pycorax@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

To play devil's advocate, that's because Edge is the system web view used for system components. Removing it means certain UI for system components won't be able to be rendered. It's the same reason why uninstalling Chrome from Android breaks a bunch of stuff. They should decouple the web view from the browser but here we are.

[-] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Exactly. Those OS updates are most likely fixing / reinstalling Edge since it is either considered corrupted or to push newer version. Set different default browser, unpin it from taskbar and you are good to go.

All these "fixes" and "debloaters" in a long run most likely will cause problems.

[-] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Actually, Edge WebView2 is a separate system component pushed out via Windows Update (can also be bundled with individual apps), and is independent of Edge the browser.

So you can actually uninstall Edge the browser completely if you wanted to, and still keep using Webview.

Of course, it's a different story that Microsoft like to sneak it back in as part of an update or something.

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