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[-] JustZ@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

you're scum for being born a man

No people in the real world say this. This is something that exists purely in social media and the anonymous Internet.

This whole thread seems filled with people who view men as victims of something. They aren't.

A man can be a victim, sure.

Men, as a group, are not general victims of anything they didn't choose.

[-] JDubbleu@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago

No people in the real world say this

I've heard similar things from women when I was in college, and not someone joking around or being ironic.

This whole thread seems filled with people who view men as victims of something. They aren't.

This is a thread of men supporting each other emotionally, and venting about how society largely disregards any problems that affect primarily men. There are a few shithead bigots who are gonna try to shove in their vile opinions, but they're all pretty down voted and a small minority. All the top level discussion seems pretty reasonable to me, and venting about the very thing you're doing with this statement.

Men, as a group, are not general victims of anything they didn't choose.

I don't think the young men in Russia who were forcefully conscripted and sent to die in the Ukrainian war (or a Russian prison) chose to do so. You can't just generalize the struggles of an entire demographic and brush them aside as their fault. It reminds me of the rhetoric of women being sexually assaulted because they dressed a certain way. It's extremely sexist and gets us absolutely nowhere, only pushing people further into extremes.

Men, in general, have higher job mortality rates, higher suicide rates, shorter life expectancy, and higher homelessness rates to name a few things. None of us "chose" this. However, because the problems affect men they're often swept aside.

You can benefit from a system in some ways while still being a victim of it in others. I completely agree that much more work needs to be done for women and people of color, and that there are much worse/more skewed injustices that they face (which is why that's where society's focus is/should be right now). However, that doesn't mean you shouldn't acknowledge the struggles men face when they're brought up.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If men feel like their struggles are not being acknowledged enough, all they have to do is acknowledge them. I mean, we do live in a pretty patriarchal society.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Men are not a monolith. Many men would like their struggles acknowledged, while other men verbally abuse them for doing so.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Someone, somewhere, says this unironically. If you want to avoid pedantic arguments about the meanings of words, use "virtually no one in real life says this." When you say "no one says this," two or three examples of people saying it is evidence against you. When you say "virtually no one says this in real life," those two or three examples become evidence that it's hard to find people actually saying it

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