Florida: "Misrepresenting" Gender On Drivers Licenses Is Fraud, Changes Now Banned (www.erininthemorning.com)

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[-] jarfil@beehaw.org 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In what possible scenario could the sex of the driver matter on a drivers license anyway?

You have the answer about halfway the letter:

a driver license is an identification document

It's a consequence of Americans not wanting a government issued ID, so they'd rather have the DMV issue them one. They will also use their Social Security Number, printed on a piece of paper that expressly states it's NOT to be used for identification purposes... for identification purposes.

In saner countries, the government issues everyone an official ID card with strong anti-counterfeiting features, then every other document relies on one's ID card for identification purposes.

[-] agegamon@beehaw.org 10 points 9 months ago

Spot on. Just like a lot of other things (taxes being the notable one that I can remember) an unreasonable amount of US people hate it when government does anything useful with their tax money.

Want an ID? Fucking do it yourself, but oh btwz here's this shitty paper that you can never share or lose or you're fucked.

Want to know how much tax you should pay taxes? Figure it the fuck out yourself (but then we'll still do it for you and ruin you if you fuck up)

Want to avoid going to jail? Be fucking telepathic and know how to do it yourself.

It's a pretty insane thing to tolerate and yet here we are.

[-] Auzy@beehaw.org 4 points 9 months ago

I mean, why would the gender matter anyway?

We use drivers license here for a lot of things for id too.

I wouldn't want a national Identity card tbh

[-] agegamon@beehaw.org 2 points 9 months ago

Apart from genuine medical reasons to know chromosomal makeup, gender doesn't matter. Unless a bigot is looking.

What does matter is that the US has an arcane, idiotic method of doling out IDs to it's citizens. It is fundamentally incompetent.

A federal ID or at least a unified standard state ID that is issued at birth or immediately upon immigration for no cost would reduce inequity and prevent people from being barred service due to ludicrous reasons such as "not having valid ID"

And I'll be blunt and say that while I respect an individual may not want one, the fact is that you already have one (either SS# or an equivalent) and are a know quantity with or without your consent. A fair federal or unified state standard would take bigoted tomfuckery out of the question and make things clear to individuals.

[-] elfpie@beehaw.org 6 points 9 months ago

Just commenting because you were really specific there with the chromosomes. The ID wouldn't help with that. Doctors mostly look at the baby and decide the sex without genetic testing. Mistakes in this case are only found out if something medical happens and they need to check.

[-] agegamon@beehaw.org 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yes that is fair and I agree. The current method of determining ~~assigned~~ chromosomal sex at birth is inadequate. Edit - I forgot, it also doesn't account for rare cases such as XXY (kleinfelters). Personally I think strictly for medical reasons ASAB/chromosomal should be determined accurately and then essentially not used. Gender identify further does not play any meaningful role at all and is not needed on an ID. It is just a way to discriminate as far as I can tell. Sadly we are quite a ways from that reality.