53
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 02 Feb 2024
53 points (93.4% liked)
Privacy
32033 readers
724 users here now
A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.
Some Rules
- Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn't great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post
- Don't promote proprietary software
- Try to keep things on topic
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
- Be nice :)
Related communities
Chat rooms
-
[Matrix/Element]Dead
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
Not really what I am looking for. Neither is it self-hostable, nor do you have access to independent clients. Plus the requirement for phone numbers makes it undesirable.
Also, I'm not really looking for a simple messenger and more for something that is useful in organizing a team.
Are you saying you want encrypted text chat? Or do you want voice or video too?
I wouldn't obsess too much about e2ee once there are that many client os's and apps involved, if the server is self hosted. There will be plenty of other points of vulnerability regardless, including careless humans at the endpoints. It's not really possible to achieve security by just choosing the right software. Real opsec is much more complicated.
Voice is a requirement as well.
EDIT: But I could get by by hosting Jitsi for that.
Molly or Signal-FOSS on Android, flare on Linux.
Flare is incomplete and the others are softforks though. Molly not so much, they support multiple phones / tablet. The Desktop client is bad.
Molly or Signal-FOSS on Android, flare on Linux.
Flare is incomplete and the others are softforks though.
Signal sucks.
What do you mean by "independent clients" - multi device login?
There's Wire, but it still resembles Signal more than Slack. But apparently they've put some work into making it self-hostable.
https://docs.wire.com/versions/install-with-poetry/index.html
Matrix is still probably the closest thing to Slack, Discord etc that actually has functioning E2EE, but also includes cloud synchronization when people can remember their keys.
https://wire.com/en/app-download
Latest Linux release is from December 2022. That's unacceptable.
Looks a little newer to me
https://github.com/wireapp/wire-desktop/releases
But the project has definitely slowed day down since when they started it.
Yeah. Right now you have to have Signal running and connected on a phone. If the phone is off or not connected to the internet, you can't use the Desktop client.
Signal on the desktop does work even if the phone client is off, FWIW. This might have been true at one point, or at least for other apps, but it's no longer the case.
ETA: you can even use the desktop app without a smart phone, although the setup not for the faint of heart... Just illustrative of how you shouldn't need a smartphone (at least, not one that's even turned on more than once a week) for Signal to work on the desktop.
For some reason, adding a desktop client didn't work for me, so I am stuck with Signal-cli. Good thing I don't have to use Signal that much. Anyway, I think not having an option to register right in the desktop client is absolutely unacceptable.
Sounds like you might want to look into why the desktop client isn't working, especially if you aren't trying some strange, unconventional setup for getting it that way.
Signal Desktop is restricted but you can install Signal in an emulator, somehow scan that QR code and deactivate the app from the emulator