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I can answer this one, but mainly only in reference to the other popular solutions:
Fully agree to this summary. traefik also gave me a hard time initially, but once you have the quirks worked out, it works as promised.
Caddy is absolutely on my list as an alternative, but the lack of docker label support is currently the main roadblocker for me.
@oh_gosh_its_osh @xantoxis for #k8s solution though I think traefik has advantage of providing configuration via CRDs, no?
May I present to you: Caddy but for docker and with labels so kind of like traefik but the labels are shorter đź‘Ź https://github.com/lucaslorentz/caddy-docker-proxy
Jokes aside, I did actually use this for a while and it worked great. The concept of having my reverse proxy config at the same place as my docker container config is intriguing. But managing labels is horrible on unraid, so I moved to classic caddy instead.
Nice catch and thanks for sharing. Will definitely check it out.
I feel so relieved reading that about traefik. I briefly set that up as a k8s ingress controller for educational purposes. It's unnecessarily confusing, brittle, and the documentation didn't help. If it's a pain for people in the industry that makes me feel better. My next attempt at trying out k8s I'll give Kong a shot.
I really like solid, reliable, and uncomplicated. The fun part is running the containers and VMs, not spending hours on a config to make them accessible.
I have traefik running on my kubernetes cluster as an ingress controller and it works well enough for me after finagling it a bit. Fully automated through ansible and templated manifests.
Heh. I am, as I said, a cloud sw eng, which is why I would never touch any solution that mentioned ansible, outside of the work I am required to do professionally. Too many scars. It's like owning a pet raccoon, you can maybe get it to do clever things if you give it enough treats, but it will eventually kill your dog.
Care to share some war stories? I have it set up where I can completely destroy and rebuild my bare metal k3s cluster. If I start with configured hosts, it takes about 10 minutes to install k3s and get all my services back up.
Sure, I mean, we could talk about
ansible_inventory
vs some other thing, based on who even fuckin knows, but sometimes the way you access the name will completely change from one role to the next.Dynamic inventory. I haven’t used it on a cloud api before but I have used it against kube API and it was manageable. Are you saying through kubectl the node names are different depending on which cloud and it’s not uniform? Edit: Oh you’re talking about the VMs doh
I’ve tried ansible vault and didn’t make it very far… I agree that thing is a mess.
Thank god I haven’t ran into interpreter issues, that sounds like hell.
Ansible output is terrible, no argument there.
I don’t remember the name for it, but I use parameterized template tasks. That might help with this? Edit: include_tasks.
I think this is due to not a very good IDE for including the whole scope of the playbook, which could be a condemnation of ansible or just needing better abstraction layers for this complex thing we are trying to manage the unmanageable with.
Really all of these have solutions, but they're constantly biting you and slowing down development and requiring people to be constantly trained on the gotchas. So it's not that you can't make it work, it's that the cost of keeping it working eats away at all the productive things you can be doing, and that problem accelerates.
The last bullet is perhaps unfair; any decent system would be a maintainable system, and any unmaintainable system becomes less maintainable the bigger your investment in it. Still, it's why I urge teams to stop using it as soon as they can, because the problem only gets worse.
You urge teams to stop using it [ansible?] as soon as they can? What do you recommend to use instead?
Well people use ansible for a wide variety of things so there's no straightforward answer. It's a Python program, it can in theory do anything, and you'll find people trying to do anything with it. That said, some common ways to replace it include
Very insightful. I definitely need to check out cloud-init as that is one thing you mentioned I have practically no experience with. Side note, I hate other people’s helm with a passion. No consistency in what is exposed, anything not cookie cutter and you’re customizing the helm chart to the point it’s probably easier to start with a custom template to begin with, which is what I started doing!