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LMAO imagine claiming central planning doesn't work when China exists. Also, I did respond to you, go read the book to see what was done to Venezuela and countries around it. Obviously we both know you're not going to read it, so keep on believing whatever nonsense you want. Not my job to educate you.
China is not central planned, it is central controlled... I agree with the idea that the US has screwed around all around the world and has harmed hundreds of countries, but to blame the failure of every shitty country due to a place thousands of miles away is silly. Literally Venuela is he example where they failed and THEN after they seized property they were embargoed. Linking to a book isnt some kind of proof of anything.
China has massive amounts of central planning. They literally release 5 year plans for the country. Meanwhile, there is nothing silly about blaming a country that chokes off other countries economies, invades them, meddles in their politics, runs coups, and political assassinations. US is aggressively hostile to every socialist country on the planet.
Meanwhile, even if we accepted your premise that Venezuela failed because of central planning, that doesn't prove what you seem to think it proves. Plenty of capitalist countries fail all the time. Using your galaxy brain logic, that proves that decentralized planning doesn't work. Why haven't you moved to Argentina for example? Based on your argument it should be a libertarian paradise.
Finally, dismissing a book that directly addresses your questions without reading it is precisely in line with the level of intellect you've demonstrated in this discussion.
They do, and they also have an economy that many people are afraid will collapse due to its debt level. Again, for the third time, Venezuela was doing terribly BEFORE they had sanctions. Can you please point to a country that was relatively capatilistic and failed due to the economy? Let me point to the horrible country that you lived in, the USSR, as the biggest example for the socialist/communist side.
Nobody except western people with exceptionally smooth brains is afraid that the economy in China will collapse. Venezuela was fucked with by US long before the sanctions. The book I linked you details this fuckery. Read it instead of making a clown of yourself here.
Meanwhile, one has to be an utter ignoramus to not be able to think of countries that failed under capitalism. I know it's a trope that Americans are historically illiterate, but holy shit. Go read up on what happened to Germany in the 30s.
The fact that you think you know more about USSR than somebody lived there really sums it up though. 😂
You're like the embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Gotcha all you are going to do is repeat propaganda. And yes, if you think what was happening in the USSR was good, then I do know more than you, and I know that the US beat the shit out of them on every level. Failed people, failed state.
Under socialism overall the total amount of wealth is less. Do you disagree?
Are you serious?
I think “what we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy.” https://redsails.org/anticommunism-and-wonderland/
One simple statement followed by a question; I worked hard for over a decade, sacrificed and learned so I could retire in my 30s, under socialism or communism, why would I work that hard if I would have not gotten rewarded for my sacrifice of time and labor?
You’ve really convinced yourself of this just world fallacy that it was your hard work and sacrifice rather than privilege and dumb luck, huh? Nobody but white boomers still believe in the American dream.
I also made enough to retire in my 30s, by being in the right place at the right time: a software developer in the ’90s San Francisco dot-com boom. But I’m not kidding myself that it was my hard work that “rewarded” me with stock options whose value went through the roof when the company went public. And honestly I didn’t even work all that hard.
Cool, well I was in small town Oregon, and it was done by hour after hour of work, not being in the right place at the right time. So that brings me back to my question; under socialism or communism, why would I work that hard if I would have not gotten rewarded for my sacrifice of time and labor?