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Yeah larping as a progressive while going up and down Lemmy talking about ways to move progressive causes forward. Definitely a moderate here. What I have a problem with is progressives who feel the need to kneecap the cause by focusing on shit talking the Democratic party nonstop (completely ignoring every solution that doesn't involve the expansion of mass death and poverty by electing conservatives) and killing everyone's motivation to fucking fight.
Tell me what solution you are offering. I have laid out a specific electoral strategy for progressives to gain control and actually enact progressive legislation. What's your solution? Fight both parties simultaneously and lose? That's exactly what we've been doing.
There's even a perfect real world example: look at the GOP. Right wing elements have spent 40+ years grinding moderates out of their party and actually enacting policy. The Tea Party/MAGA/Nutjobs didn't just get control over a couple election cycles, it took DECADES. Now they have complete control of the party and have the power to make the crazy shit they want the party platform.
Yes my personal feelings would prefer that the stroke happened and we shut everything down until the assholes in charge got the message. I am never in favor of blocking a work action and would prefer every single workplace be unionized/worker owned. My exact position was "nationalize it all". But if I need to make a strategic concession to put myself in the position to make significantly more progress in the future, I don't think that's an unreasonable position. If you do, maybe you don't care about progressive causes as much as you think and would rather feel good about yourself over helping people.
I think I'm good here. Hope you have a good day and that anyone who reads this conversation really considers what I've said.
That's the same plan that's been in place for decades. The needle hasn't moved. Biden is to the right of Clinton. And you refuse to consider any alternative that comes with a hint of risk.
I say again, your lip service has done nothing. You have accomplished nothing. You will continue to accomplish nothing. And worst of all, you're fighting those of us who could actually make some changes.
"You won't consider alternatives!"
Won't provide any alternatives or explain how any of what they are doing is productive whatsoever.
"You're fighting against those of us wanting to make changes!"
Won't explain what those changes are, how they want to make the changes, or even talk about a strategy.
Talk about "lip service". Holy shit that's all you are. Thank you for the productive conversation. Have a nice day.
Here's the alternative:
If he refuses we refuse to vote for him in the general election. In addition, we begin describing anyone who voted for him in the 2020 primaries as a selfish piece of shit. Make people embarrassed to admit they did that.
Amplify the general strike plans in 2028. Continue pushing anti-work sentiment. Bring U.S. productivity down.