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It was in self-defence 🙃
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this post was submitted on 08 Feb 2024
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To do "self defence", all Israel had to do was guard its borders and have some diplomatic solution that didn't completely dehumanize Palestinians, maybe policies that listen to expert opinions on these subjects and how this is causing extremism to double. They didn't need to invade "in self defence".
Funny how that works both ways.
Alright so from your perspective it seems you expect Israel to do all the heavy lifting here. Just ignore the attacks and hope Hamas is willing to negotiate one day? Even though they make it clear they want to remove Israel
What should the Palestinians/Hamas be doing? Continuing with their current course of action until Israel decides to do something different?
Giving people rights and ending apartheid and reducing extremism is heavy lifting? As opposed to now???
But yes I expect the supremacist colonial landgrabbers to do the heavy lifting.
So what exactly does that entail? Remove all troops, accept continued missile attacks and pray that Hamas eventually gets sick of it and negotiates?
I don't think you're really considering the actions and goals of Hamas here. Is anything they do justified as long as they don't have their own state away from Israel?
And surprlse surprise how you spin the discussion in the last question towards wanting to make me look like someone who justifies kidnapping and murder
I'm not spinning anything. I want to know why you expect Israel to do all the work towards peace?
Do you expect Hamas to change nothing? Because I can't imagine telling Israel "hey we know these guys are firing missile after missile at you but can you please stop fighting back and let them continue"
Realistically the first move towards peace without continued conflict has to come from Hamas. Or Israel need to have removed Hamas completely, pick one
Please. Don't shit me.
Your last question:
What a nice false dichotomy, though!
In any case, how sad them for Israel that it has successfully created the Hamas of today and tomorrow, and for years to come because of its violent approach.
Based on this I'll just assume you have nothing further to say At this point you aren't really engaging and I think it's fairly clear why
Anyway have a good one mate. Hopefully this conflict comes to and end sooner than later
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