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Reminds me of a joke: A guy walks down the street and mumbles to himself angrily: You cook every fucking day but no one ever calls you a cook. You fix your car all the time but people never call you a mechanic. You have a small garden and grow your own food but when people see you they don't say "Hey, farmer!". But you rape someone one single time...
But seriously, for the same reason you don't ban drunk drivers from driving for life or shoplifter from shopping. People have to function in society somehow, even if they did terrible things in the past.
No they don't, that's what prisons are for.
That kinda mentality is why america has the most people in prison per capita. Its the only way to rationalize the way the prisoners are essentially being enslaved. So by being commercially productive, people with money (read: with power) will always work to increase the number of prisoners.
I am fine with rehabilitating drug dealers or other non violent crimes and even some violent ones. Rapists should never see the light of day again. There's no excuse for rape. There's no "Oh, I didn't know raping someone was a bad thing" to rehabilitate someone out of. To rape someone you have to be a selfish, shitty person, end of story. We don't need people like that in society. The resources spent trying to fix them would be better focused on people who need help and have never raped anyone.
Just out of curiosity, what other violent crimes do get a pass for "not knowing it was wrong?"
Like do you believe that people can assault other people with weapons without knowing it was wrong? Can they beat their wives and not know it was wrong?
You seem to have a weird hangup on rape in particular in comparison to other violent crimes when it comes to "knowing it was wrong."
I'm pretty sure the MS13 guys that butcher people know it's wrong they just don't give a shit. I'm sure people who use physical violence to get what they want know it's wrong but they just don't care.
Stupid standard, people can rationalize any crime rape ain't special.
How about instead of dodging their points, you really think about what they're saying?
I said some violent crimes.
If someone assaults somebody in retaliation for something they did to them or a family member where it's unlikely they would harm anyone else many would argue that can be justified.
No we're all taught from preschool on not to hit.
And they should be locked up forever with the rapists.
Then when someone assaults the assaulter in retaliation for the retaliation? Fuck the rule of law - return to lynch mobs, amirite? Do you say people argue this because you're one of them and are too much of a coward to say so, or is this an irrelevancy you don't believe? People argue all sorts of dumb bullshit - it doesn't make them right.
No exceptions, no discussion entered into - guess we're locking up the military and police. Of course there are exceptions, and of course people are going to do the mental gymnastics necessary to justify their actions to themselves. That doesn't make them right, but it does make your standard a transparently terrible one.
They do, and that doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished, what it does mean is you can look at their reasons when determining whether or not they are likely to re-offend. The person who only kills people who rape their kid is not likely to do it again vs. the person who's threshold for rape is that they don't respect other people's body autonomy when they're horny.
In the context of this conversation, "people" can speak for themselves.
Again - are you a coward that attributes their support for lynch mobs to "people" rather than owning them, or are you dishonest, presenting other people's arguments you don't believe?
Failure to answer that aside, it seems you're arguing all violence is wrong because we're taught not to hit in preschool, but retaliatory violence is good because the courts don't take circumstances into account and sentence accordingly. I don't need to refute your points - you've done that yourself - albeit poorly.
I don't support vigilante justice. That's why it's so important for the justice system to do it's job properly. If it was vigilante justice wouldn't happen. My point was that people have different motivations for committing crime. A drug dealer may be doing it to escape poverty. A murderer may be trying to get justice for an abused relative. These people can be rehabilitated. You can help the drug dealer learn skills that will allow them to make a living. You can give the vigilante counseling to get over the trauma they're dealing with and make sure the people who victimize others are kept off the streets, in doing so they are unlikely to reoffend. The same cannot be said for a rapist. There's something fundamentally broken inside of them that makes them able to ignore basic morality and other people's body autonomy. There's no "justification" a rapist can come up with that isn't disgusting and evil. They cannot be rehabilitated.