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Why we're all forced to have this conversation
(lemmy.world)
The rail union contract expires at the end of this year meaning the rail union workers can strike again sometime in 2025. Whoever wins the 2024 general election and becomes president will immediately have to deal with that possibility. If Biden is serious about how Trump is the biggest threat we face then promising to veto any attempts to force another contract onto the rail unions is a bargain.
Your move Joe. Are you willing to compromise with leftists or do you want to go down in history as the second establishment Democrat who lost to Donald Trump?
If the DNC wanted left coalitions or big-tent unity, they’d end FPTP elections and kill superdelegates. They can do both, but won't try either. Bully coalition wings into unity every two years, then back to business as usual 😎
Depends, are you going to take one of the more progressive administrations this country has had and throw a hissy fit because it's far from perfect, and hand victory over to a literal fascist who has promised to be a dictator on day one of his term?
Aaaand there’s the bullying & strawman. Still going to vote for Biden despite FPTP
Somehow European countries manage to have center-left or left-left coalitions and maintain a stable government. It’s almost like they ✨got rid of shitty voting systems ✨that force parties to the right of the spectrum
…or is that perpetual looming threat a feature for the DNC, and not a bug? 🤔
You can compromise with us or risk losing to fascists. Make a choice.
The risk of losing to fascists is there either way. What, do you think that compromise with progressive positions is nothing but a net electoral gain? You'd have to be stone-dead stupid to look at the American electorate and believe that.
That's a tacit admission you're fighting us. With every effort by progressives and leftists you'll be there saying it's too radical and the electorate won't go for it. You will insist it's never the right time. It's never the right way.
We are not on the same side.
As a progressive, I'm opposed to fascism. As a useful idiot, you're indifferent to it.
You are right. We aren't on the same side.
You can call yourself whatever you want but I'm curious what actions differentiate you from a moderate. You're attacking progressive and moderate efforts, insisting we vote for procorporate trash and calling us names for attempting to push for something better.
The party has no shortage of Boomer moderates acting the same way as you and saying the same things as you. What exactly do you think you're contributing to progressive efforts?
I'm 'behaving no different than a moderate' because I think a moderate is preferable to fascism.
Okay. You have fun with that.
You're a progressive who behaves like a moderate then? Why not just call yourself a moderate?
Anyway, I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish here. I'm not changing my mind on this and I suspect a substantial population of voters Joe Biden is depending on to win feel the same way. You coming in here calling us names isn't going to change our minds. So what's your goal?
Believe it or not, actual progressives oppose fascism. That's a common cause for this election with moderates. Yes, that's right - not everything moderates do is bad! Usually it's just half-hearted. Shocking, I know.
To call out blatantly obvious attempts to concern troll fascism into power.
Moderates do too and they've been controlling the party for decades. What's your opinion on how well they've done?
I have yet to see a fascist emerge as a Democratic candidate, so at least tolerably well.
Want to remind me how throwing a bitch-fit over someone not being left-enough worked out in 2016? Oh, right, the suffering of minorities and labor under the Trump administration don't matter to you, much less the erosion of democracy in this country. Mea culpa, I forgot purity tests are the only thing that matters.
Well I mean, they lost to a fascist candidate who gained support and ran against one of their best candidates. Surely that counts against them right?
Why would the behavior of Republicans who lost the popular vote count against Democrats?
Oh, right, because you'll do anything to try to make your own fascist apologia seem less repulsive. Both sides!
I asked you how well moderates were "opposing" fascism. I admit I was using the term "opposing" synonymously with "fighting". If you intended that term be used some other way let me know.
Anyway, if they're fighting fascists and losing that means the fight isn't going well right?
If, when you see a fight against fascism not 'going well' (your words, I emphasize, not mine), why is your first instinct "Well, if they don't pander to me, I'll just sit this one out and let fascists win"?
Oh, right. Because you are a fascist playing concern troll. :)
We're done here.
That wasn't an answer to my question.
Thank goodness. :)