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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by redfox@infosec.pub to c/technology@lemmy.world

This episode of Security Now covered Google's plan to deprecate third party cookies and the reaction from advertising organizations and websites.

The articles and the opinions of the show hosts are that it may have negative or unintended consequences as rather than relying on Google's proposed ad selection scheme being run on the client side (hiding information from the advertiser), instead they are demanding first party information from the sites regarding their user's identification.

The article predicts that rather than privacy increasing, a majority of websites may demand user registration so they can collect personal details and force user consent to provide that data to advertisers.

What's your opinion of website advertising, privacy, and data collection?

  • Would you refuse to visit websites that force registration even if the account is free?
  • What's all the fuss about, you don't care?
  • Is advertising a necessary evil in fair trade for content?
  • Would this limit your visiting of websites to only a narrow few you are willing to trade personal details for?
  • Is this a bad thing for the internet experience as whole, or just another progression of technology?
  • Is this no different from using any other technology platform that's free (If it's free, you're the product)?
  • Should website owners just accept a lower revenue model and adapt their business, rather than seeking higher / unfair revenues from privacy invasive practices of the past?
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[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 89 points 10 months ago

Constantly being brainwashed to consume is one of the great evils of our time. Consumerism is bad for mental health and the environment. But advertising also creates many biases in content creation.

When was the last time you heard anything about bad effects of advertising? Not just superficial "stupid ad" but as a massive corrosive force on society? That is how much freedom of speech we have.

[-] redfox@infosec.pub 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, large portions of economies are being driven by consumption. I feel like so much stuff is just landfill fodder.

Massive affects of advertising

I was hoping you might have some examples, I'm not sure.

[-] hcbxzz@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The entire goal is to use money to change your behavior. They're inherently manipulative by definition. It's literally weaponized mass manipulation. There's no way to spin that as a positive effect.

If you think about it in terms of it's effects, advertising is the closest thing we have to mind control: companies are paying money to change the behavior of millions of people. Even without any concrete examples, you can easily see how dystopic it really is when you just think about the intention alone

[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sorry I don't have any great sources on this. It's rather speculation because how could you research this scientifically? Even if you could, an experiment like that would actually be unethical! And who would fund this, there is no way to talk in mainstream about advertising without running against massive financial interests. There are some search results but most of those articles look like mental garbage.

My guess is that because we're constantly being told what to consume our minds work quite differently from what they would without advertising.

Our minds constantly have to resist intrusive advertising and psychological manipulation which means we constantly have to switch between and adversarial mindset and whatever content we were watching / reading. Or we become obedient and just "let the advertising wash through us". And advertising constantly has to find new ways to activate our emotions.

Just as massive is the effect on content produced, there is a "natural selection" that any content that helps sell advertisement is more successful on the market. It's not just that you can't piss off your advertiser but that generally you want the consumer to be in a certain mood - or that content producers who do this naturally are more successful and grow.

Then there are privacy concerns which reduce humans to machines and creates a powerful system that can and is abused for political control (public relations).

How can any of that not have massive societal impacts, since it's being done on a massive scale and is near ubiquitous? How can anyone assume these effects are not incredibly bad?

You could have a country banning advertising that has a kind of "content tax" that is funded publicly and administered independent from the government through separate elections. And that has strict mandates and distributes the money to news papers, websites, movies and video creators dependent on views - similar to music rights agencies. But none of this is even talked about. We've completely lost the ability to even think seriously about how to improve our society. I believe in large part this is due to advertising.

PS: There is a film called "Branded (2012)" about the "horrors of advertising".

[-] redfox@infosec.pub 5 points 10 months ago

My guess is that because we’re constantly being told what to consume our minds work quite differently from what they would without advertising.

Our minds constantly have to resist intrusive advertising and psychological manipulation.

I stopped quoting because you made many good points. I imagine we could find some supporting material for this basic idea. It seems like a safe idea to say people adapt to the environment they are in, including our thinking patterns based on what we take in and feed our minds (books, media, streaming, conversation, etc).

I wouldn't be eager for a new tax, but the creative problem solving and imagining new ways to do things is good.

Also, thanks for the movie mention.

[-] iquanyin@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

i have an idea. let people buy the books and magazines. the ones people want to read are successful. others oh well. i'm a genius!

also: you have a good point about our minds working differently.

[-] iquanyin@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

um, i just now hear it mentioned. by you...

[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 months ago

The great evil is that we keep going to places where we are shown ads, despite having a choice in theory. It's demoralizing.

[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

I'm living mostly ad-free due to adblockers everywhere (except android) but most people don't know, can't do it or are brainwashed to think it's amoral to block ads. If more people would catch on adblocking would be made illegal. And either way my personal choice doesn't change what content is produced and how society is influenced. Personal responsibility doesn't solve this just as it doesn't climate change. Because advertising clearly does work.

[-] Meltrax@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Android is one of the easiest places to block ads.

[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Is it? Maybe. I managed to install the apps I need from f-droid and use firefox but it felt more difficult than on PC - where you just need to install an adblocker in your browser.

[-] Meltrax@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

What ads are you trying to remove?

Firefox on android allows you to use uBlockOrigin. YoutubeRevanced is an excellent application patcher system that you can use to remove ads from YouTube, Twitch, Spotify, and many other. F-droid has some good resources.

If you're playing games with ads, it's a little harder. You probably need a piHole on your home network for that (they are super fun either way).

In general, yes, I guess it's a little harder to remove ads from your entire phone than it is to just remove them from a desktop web browser. Way better than Apple's options though.

[-] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah basically the problem is the apps because mobile browser / mobile websites are less usable than desktop browser. I use NewPipe / PipePipe for youtube on android, hopefully it'll keep working. Right now I don't have any ads on android. But I'm only using very few apps. Thankfully the android ecosystem seems to be improving.

[-] apolo399@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Both of you should look up AdGuard. It's the only adblocker I use and it works system-wide.

[-] Mkengine@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago

Use this Site, Go to method 2 -> Android and set up your DNS manually. That's it, no more ads on Android.

[-] iquanyin@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

adguard works pretty well for me on ios and i believe they have it for android too. the free version is good, the pro even better.

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