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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

e; I wrote a better headline than the ABC editors decided to and excerpted a bit more

According to the poll, conducted using Ipsos' Knowledge Panel, 86% of Americans think Biden, 81, is too old to serve another term as president. That figure includes 59% of Americans who think both he and former President Donald Trump, the Republican front-runner, are too old and 27% who think only Biden is too old.

Sixty-two percent of Americans think Trump, who is 77, is too old to serve as president. There is a large difference in how partisans view their respective nominees -- 73% of Democrats think Biden is too old to serve but only 35% of Republicans think Trump is too old to serve. Ninety-one percent of independents think Biden is too old to serve, and 71% say the same about Trump.

Concerns about both candidates' ages have increased since September when an ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 74% of Americans thought Biden -- the oldest commander in chief in U.S. history -- was too old to serve another term as president, and 49% said the same about Trump.

Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20240214133801/https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-americans-on-biden-age/story?id=107126589

Part that drew my eye,

The poll also comes days after the Senate failed to advance a bipartisan foreign aid bill with major new border provisions.

Americans find there is blame to go around on Congress' failure to pass legislation intended to decrease the number of illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border -- with about the same number blaming the Republicans in Congress (53%), the Democrats (51%) and Biden (49%). Fewer, 39%, blame Trump.

More Americans trust that Trump would do a better job of handling immigration and the situation at the border than Biden -- 44%-26% -- according to the poll.

So that bipartisan border bill stunt was terrible policy, and it doesn't seem to have done anything for the Democratic party politically

Can we please stop trying to compromise with fascists now?

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[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

And a president isn't just the presidency, it also sets tons of agency heads and tons of judicial appointments including potential Supreme Court nominations. It's a major mistake to think of a presidential vote as a vote for one person, it's for tons of incredibly important positions that the president decides.

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 9 months ago

Even if that's true, wouldn't a younger person be better equipped to appoint and oversee those positions?

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It is true, that's not up to debate, it's just how the government works. Yes a younger person would be better but the point is that the effects reach much further than the single candidate.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It is true, that’s not up to debate

Is it though? If it weren't up for debate then saying the people who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries were selfish and foolish wouldn't be controversial. If a younger person would be better equipped to be president then there's no excuse to vote in the primaries for someone who shouldn't be driving, nevermind leading a country.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Maybe you were referring to a different part of my comment when you said "even if that's true". I'm referring to where I said that the president gets to appoint tons of other positions, that's objectively true.

I agree that there are better candidates than Biden and that they would have better appointments. My point is just that the stakes are really really high, much higher than just the difference between the presidential candidates, it's multiplied by the tons of positions they have control over. I just want people to think about those super high stakes when it comes to their motivation to get out and vote.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

Yes, but that conversation gets too close to having a conversation about the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries. And we can't have a conversation about that because the rational conclusion would be: it was selfish and foolish to vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries.

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