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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

e; I wrote a better headline than the ABC editors decided to and excerpted a bit more

According to the poll, conducted using Ipsos' Knowledge Panel, 86% of Americans think Biden, 81, is too old to serve another term as president. That figure includes 59% of Americans who think both he and former President Donald Trump, the Republican front-runner, are too old and 27% who think only Biden is too old.

Sixty-two percent of Americans think Trump, who is 77, is too old to serve as president. There is a large difference in how partisans view their respective nominees -- 73% of Democrats think Biden is too old to serve but only 35% of Republicans think Trump is too old to serve. Ninety-one percent of independents think Biden is too old to serve, and 71% say the same about Trump.

Concerns about both candidates' ages have increased since September when an ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 74% of Americans thought Biden -- the oldest commander in chief in U.S. history -- was too old to serve another term as president, and 49% said the same about Trump.

Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20240214133801/https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-americans-on-biden-age/story?id=107126589

Part that drew my eye,

The poll also comes days after the Senate failed to advance a bipartisan foreign aid bill with major new border provisions.

Americans find there is blame to go around on Congress' failure to pass legislation intended to decrease the number of illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border -- with about the same number blaming the Republicans in Congress (53%), the Democrats (51%) and Biden (49%). Fewer, 39%, blame Trump.

More Americans trust that Trump would do a better job of handling immigration and the situation at the border than Biden -- 44%-26% -- according to the poll.

So that bipartisan border bill stunt was terrible policy, and it doesn't seem to have done anything for the Democratic party politically

Can we please stop trying to compromise with fascists now?

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[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 16 points 9 months ago

This might be the enlightened libertarian in me talking now, but I believe said driftwood would also be superior to Biden.

[-] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Driftwood probably wouldn't form the best cabinet though

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 7 points 9 months ago

I feel like I should give you money for this comment

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

You can always give money to the platform that made it possible - https://join-lemmy.org/donate

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That seems like a good idea, but it hurts my ethical bones to give money to such blatant leftists.

I mean this is not just subtle dogwhistling: https://github.com/nutomic, https://github.com/dessalines

And again, as much as I appreciate honesty, I don't think I can support this with my money.

e: gave $20 to lemmy.world

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Where's the donate link for Lemmy world? I was actually looking for that, but hitting the donate button on their homepage took me to that link in already posted.

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 2 points 9 months ago
[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Huh, I still wasn't able to find it there, but I did end up finding it through c/lemmyworld, so that's legit and I probably just need more coffee

Thanks for the info!

[-] winky9827b@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

The best surprises come from unexpected places.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

Which illustrates the missing piece of this conversation: When are we going to talk about the people who voted for him in the 2020 primaries? When are we going to state, repeatedly, voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries was a selfish and foolish thing to do?

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Well, first thing i would do is insult them. Then I'd tell them who they were supposed to vote for.

When are we going to state, repeatedly, voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries was a selfish and foolish thing to do?

Ah i see you already covered my main tactic. Now onto the spicy stuff: who's the candidate they're supposed to vote for? Or is it only important to vote for not-Biden? I'm curious who else would have crushed Trump in the election. Bernie?

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Rather than attempt to defend my approach since you clearly disapprove of it help me understand what your plan is. The DNC primaries continue to produce shit candidates. How does that change?

I'm not claiming my plan is above judgement and your critique is certainly fair. But without an alternative to compare against those concerns are moot.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

The DNC primaries continue to produce shit candidates. How does that change?

The Dem candidate is the representative for everyone who isn't an insane far-right theocratic fascist. You aren't going to convince anyone that they did anything wrong in 2020. People who don't like Biden today aren't the ones who voted for him in the primaries. We all voted for him anyway in the general because we don't like flushing our ballots down the toilet.

We will always have shit candidates until the general election uses an intelligent voting system such as score or STAR.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

I'm not seeing anything in your comment about an alternative plan to change the outcome. Do you have a plan for changing the general election to use the voting system to use score or STAR?

Again, I'm okay with the critique of my approach but if you don't have one of your own then as you said "we will always have shit candidates".

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

I think if we're talking comments on the internet it is more effective to advocate for the different voting systems instead of shaming people over being wrong. But it sure is harder to imagine how either results in positive and measurable change.

IRL We need to get more people out voting, awareness campaigns for better voting systems, and aligned candidates who will make these systems happen from the municipal to the state level. Collective action works but it will take years or decades.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago

That's been the plan for at least two decades. It isn't working.

[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

My bad, ok, continue telling people they were stupid and wrong, that will do the trick.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It might. You don't have any objections doing that with Republicans voters on the slim chance it'll make a difference yes? Why wouldn't you employ the same strategy with people who are electing shit candidates in the primaries?

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Then again, we can be certain that Biden won Trump. It's possible that somebody else would have, too, but we cannot be certain. What is utterly dumb in 2024 was not so much in 2020, in my opinion.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Then again, we can be certain that Biden won Trump.

There's an argument to be made he defeated Trump because there were leftists and progressives who were willing to give him a chance. Do you feel confident he can count on those votes for a second time?

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