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That is very much acceptable, killing other people is not.
Has there ever been a political revolution that overthrew the government without violence?
Is every terror attack for political reasons justified then?
"I want to change something and I cant get it democratically so because a revolution requires violence, I have the right to kill everybody" - Is that how you think it works?
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Who defines what terror is? What is politics? If the policies that govern a society aren’t working for a group, and they are given no other recourse, what are they to do? What justifies anything? Can you justify dropping a nuclear bomb on an unaware city to “end the war?” You can, but it erodes your moral authority to other groups.
Not everybody. Violence should only be used if it is necessary to achieve goals. There is a reason Nelson Mandela refused to renounce violent struggle.
So you support right wing violence against abortionists because they want to make a change? Neat.
If you lived in a fascists society that was systematically killing gay and trans people, and you opposed this action, would it be justified for you to form a group and fight them?
If the answer is yes, congratulations, you are a terrorist to the state.
The question of whether a terror attack is justified becomes a moral question. The bigger issue is violence and politics. Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed.
So a democracy has no value to you? Not everyone can be perfectly happy with the state of society at any point in time. What makes you feel like you are entitled to achieve your goals against the majority's will?
You’re conflating a lot of empty signifiers with “democracy.” So, I’ll focus on the specifics of political activism.
If you, and the political group you ideologically agree with lived in Nazi Germany, but were a minority, would it be morally justified to fight against the government with terrorism if you are unable to leave?
Every political group thinks they are justified in their actions. One group’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter.
I respect democratic decisions and find any form of terrorism against those decisions and thus the democratic system itself unjustifyable.
The Nazis didn't adhere to the democratic principles themselves, they were very much antidemocratic and were forcibly trying to change the system against the will of the majority (this I find unjustifyable). They were themselves a kind of minority
To answer your question, I think I would be justified to fight that (with force), HOWEVER, it is NOT justified that I push my own minority-opinion (e.g. by establishing a dictstorship with me as the dictator).
And when the government does not obey the will of the people, is it still a democracy?
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