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Brazil’s Lula compares Israel’s war on Gaza with the Holocaust
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As someone from Germany, reading this makes me angry.
I don't have the solution for this conflict, but when seeing the concentration camps in my country and understanding how much they must have hated Jews that they aimed to kill EVERYONE of them....
This is not the same! We all know that Israel did not even want to be there until Hamas butchered and kidnapped Israelis last year. Otherwise, they could have stayed there during the last invasion.
The holocaust comparison does not help anyone.
Edit: Very nice... Downvoting different views on this comparison without sharing arguments... Closing the door for discourse is always very useful!!!!111 There is actually much we could agree on regarding this war, but yeah, go ahead and dislike me for not sharing your view that this is like the Holocaust. I'm from Germany where we visited tge remains of concentration camps twice during school time.... What do I know...? :/
Israel cannot let Palestinians live as human beings because they out-number the Israelis. Giving then rights would give the Palestinians a majority in voting etc. So the Israeli's opted to treat the Palestinians like sub humans. Treating an entire country as subhumans... For decades... has consequences.
Is this even true? As far as I know, there are more people in Israel than people in Westbank + Gaza combined.
There are some common solution suggestions (2-state-solution or even 3-state-solution) which don't require giving Palestinians rights in Israel, but rather rights in their own state(s).
So many Palestinians live outside of Palestine. Imagine if their homes haven't been bulldozed over the last few decades or settlements haven't been built around the last few "Palestinian towns." They would have been able to flourish instead of this mess where they get to watch invaders destroy old villages.
And what about Israelis outside of Israel?
Just curious...
Do you have a source?
I'm not sure what you even mean.
I asked whether you have also counted Israelis outside of Israel in your equation..
And I asked whether you have a source that shows how many Palestinians live outside of the Palestine area... Would be interesting to know how many...
I'm not sure, why this deserves downvotes, but alright... I might have triggered some people with my general opinion..
Someone who wants to enter a debate about the semantics of camps and genocide should easily be able to find this info. How about a question for you? How many Palestinians exist in the whole world and how many have even bothered attacking a single Israeli despite decades of persecution; which may be unprecedented. Even Hitler's hate did not last this long.
There are 2 million Palestinians that Israel is trying to push outside of Palestine or outright MURDER. If those monsters get there way, most Palestinians will now live outside Palestine. But people are over here questioning if Israel hasn't been trying to get rid of Palestinian culture or traditions; like they do not have a giant death toll on their hands over THREE decades of time. Completely ignoring the fact that more and more houses in the West Bank are being stolen and given to foreigners simply because those foreigners are Jewish.
Why even ask this? Do you consider Palestinians and Israelis the same? Before Israel, 5% of the Palestinian population were Jewish [and most of those Jews were Russian immigrants, not "Sons of the land"]. Did some of these people move out or something? Seriously, what is the relevance here?
How is this relevant in this context?
I have just asked whether you have a source for your theory and explained why the holocaust comparison is bullshit. That's it.
Scroll up. Because of "Israel cannot let Palestinians live as human beings because they out-number the Israelis."
Can't we have a normal conversation here without all this hate
How is this not hateful?
I think, that the argument "because they out-number the Israelis" is bad / not even true. That's just someone's assumption that some people in power in Israel think like that...