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Duke Shuts Down Huge Plant Collection, Causing Scientific Uproar
(www.nytimes.com)
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After a quick googling, they also were on the religiously unpopular side of embryonic stem cells.
“Duke says embryos aren’t children, which anyone with eyes can see, and that’s why they’re a great university.”
They're a secular institution that was on the leading edge of stem cell research when it was far more controversial than it is now.
I don't think those are "low-ass" standards.
Stem cell research has never ever been controversial among scientists. Priests, maybe.
Scientists tend to care about science, that is indeed correct.
Your earlier comment stated that they didn’t care for science and where preoccupied with religious ideologies.
Which is it that you believe now?
That's a disingenuous statement. Gregor Mendel was a monk(and became an abbot). Darwin very nearly became a priest and waited years to publish the origin of species until Alfred Wallace independently came to the same conclusion partly because Darwin was conflicted about how it went against Christian dogma at the time. Even now there are plenty of scientists with religious faith and belief. There's no scientific guidance on souls.
Your evidence is people who lived a century or two ago?
According to a 1998 study, 92% of members of the National Academy of Sciences reject the belief in a higher power or God. Now decades later, that number is closer to 100%. And a soul is a philosophical concept, not an empirical one.
NAS is far from every scientist. There's a graduate+faculty faith organization at most if not all R1 institutes.
As you state a soul is a philosophical concept which is why faith is so involved in trying to dictate what "life" is.
If you want to beat them we need to be arguing at the correct level for understanding. The church not caring til Roe and abortion of some sort being done for hundreds or thousands of years is not the argument that matters to fundies. It is when life is determined to have a soul in their belief. If scientific facts argue against philosophical belief, neither side will ever understand the other.
If the university president sucked your dick for breakfast every morning it wouldn't matter. Way to pick up on the least emphasized and important point to fuel your gate boner.