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Edit: Blocked the author's name, because it's not my tumblr. I didn't expect so many people to misinterpret it and respond in this way.

Edit 2: This is not from the same author, but it's a reply to them. I think it might help clarify the post for those that are confused:

I normally don't worry about usernames on tumblr, but since there've been some really out-of-pocket misconceptions in the thread, I don't want anyone to harass them.

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Where's it say "just convince all Israelites to leave"?

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

When it says "Jewish people need a place to live so make every country safe for them".

If that's not the solution being proposed then what solution is it proposing?

If a solution isnt being proposed, then maybe the problem isn't that simple.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That's not referring to displacing people though, now is it? Don't you agree that we should address antisemitism in other nations? One branch of my family tree is Jewish, and you can rest assured I want them to feel safe here in the US.

Edit: This is a troll

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That’s not referring to displacing people though, now is it? Don’t you agree that we should address antisemitism in other nations?

How is that a solution to the current situation?

How about we make it so that everyone in every country has their basic needs met? Yeah that would be great, it's also an irrelevant point to bring up while discussing how "simple" the Israel Palestine situation is.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What's simple is concluding that Israel is committing genocide. What's simple is arriving at the conclusion that we shouldn't try to "both sides" this situation when one state is clearly the oppressor.

Imagine trying to "both sides" the indigenous situation in the US and Canada, or similarly trying to "both sides" Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 40s. Trying to "both sides" North and South Korea.

There's clearly one state that's been consistently in the wrong, that even celebrates its atrocities.

Edit: This is a troll

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

There’s clearly one state that’s been consistently in the wrong, that even celebrates its atrocities.

Bruh, Hamas celebrated the mass rape and murder of civilians. I'm as angry at Israel's response as the next person but you need to pull your head out of your ass if you think this is entirely one sided.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You linking to a thread with a bunch of people condemning Hamas proves my point, not yours. And try making a real point, instead of just linking to your favourite echo chamber.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is not a post about Hamas. If you want to discuss Hamas, then make your own post.

Edit: This is a troll

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Lmao, don't try and claim that it's entirely 1 sided if you don't want me to bring up Hamas then. That's something that's actually simple.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I nearly reported your top comment for being grossly uncivil, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Instead, you've chosen to personally attack me. Not sure what your instance is like, but that's not acceptable here.

I'm reporting and blocking you.

I'll say it once more: This is not a post about Hamas, and I've no interest in derailing the thread.

Edit: Nice edit

This is a troll

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

When you said that the situation is entirely one sided, you opened the discussion to bringing up how it might not be, that would lead us to Hamas.

Don't want to talk about Hamas, don't bring up the Israel Palestine situation and claim that it's entirely one sided. I blame Israel for a lot of Hamas' current state of being, that still doesn't make the situation entirely one sided.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Nice try, not taking the bait. Go find someone else if you want to fight, I refuse.

Edit: This is a troll

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You brought it up bro. You responded to me.

You don't want to talk about Israel Palestine, stay out of this thread, really not complicated.

And yeah, I edited it because I initially responded emotionally and then thought that there was a better and clearer way to express myself. Sorry you got the initial notification before the edit 10s later.

[-] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago

Sharr sources for the alleged mass rape

[-] Johanno@feddit.de 7 points 8 months ago

Well I see that it isn't there written, but we have the one sided description of Israel invading Palestinian land and occupying it for 76 years.

And then the recommendation to remove anti-semitism in other countries.

This does imply that once other countries are safe the Israeli should leave.

Also in my opinion if a country occupies an area for that long it belongs to them. No it isn't fair and yes they took it by force. However they would not had to fight a war if they weren't attacked by all surrounding countries.

This does imply that once other countries are safe the Israeli should leave.

I must have accidentally eaten something trippy because I've read so many texts and datasets in my life, and how you are extrapolating this is beyond me.

Also in my opinion if a country occupies an area for that long it belongs to them

So then for example, you agree that the US and Canada should continue engaging in the displacement and still ongoing genocide of Native Americans? Can you clarify this statement, please?

[-] Johanno@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Well did the native Americans successfully claimed land their own and have a country that is recognised by other countries on the world?

No? Sucks for them. I don't support genocide and shit like that.

In order to have a country and accepted borders you need other countries that recognise it. The borders then get defined by contracts or more often by war.

Thank you for the clarification. I have nothing further to discuss with you.

[-] The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago

The Americas are, as a continent, the site of mass genocide at the hands of Europeans. The intent was to eliminate the native peoples and their cultures, and this intent is both clear and the genocide is ongoing.

This is the big stick philosophy you say you support, it commits atrocities on other human beings in the name of expansion, extraction, and recognition, and unfortunately the philosophy dominates many of our ways of life.

That doesn't mean it's good, or right, or that it is the only way. We should hold ourselves to the standard we want to live by so we can break the cycles of abuse, and we should talk to each other and educate one another so we can deliver the best version of ourselves.

Consider that not all people have always lived with modern ideas of property, nations, and hierarchy. These are, in the grand scheme of human history, pretty insignificant when faced with the vast array of societies and beliefs shared by people over thousands of years. All that is to say domination is not inevitable or necessary, we can choose to do otherwise and all be better off for it.

[-] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 3 points 8 months ago

it is implied by the fact that they want to clutch their pearls.

This is a disaster! It's almost like the comment thread is from an entirely different post!

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