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If Trump wins what? An election?
It's a good thing no one who was ever democratically elected dismantled democracy so they could never lose the power they gained.
1, he's been elected before, yet we've still got our election system. 2, democrats are actually trying to dismantle democracy by denying a huge number of voters the ability to vote for their choice for president. Dont by hypocritical, flip the roles around and imagine Trump or republican states are the ones barring Biden from running. It's not gonna sit well with you is it?
Democracies mean the people decide, even if that goes against who you want to win.
If Biden committed the acts and, as of now alleged crimes Trump has been accused of, then Biden would need to be barred too. That's the difference with Trump supporters, the rest of us want the laws applied no matter which "team" the politician represents. It's people over party and not the other way around.
Thats the issue. Innocent until proven guilty. I believe he's guilty, but for setting legal precedent this makes accusations enough to bar a candidate in an election.
But also my understanding is there's nothing in the law requiring criminal conviction for sedition or insurrection or whatever the proper term is. I'm not sure who is supposed to be the determiner of fact. I think that's why several of the states took it upon themselves. Hence why SCOTUS is almost certainly going to have to determine some of these issues. But I also could be talking out my ass.
Did you forget January 6th? It's not for lack of trying that our election system remained intact through a Trump presidency.
Of course it wouldn't. Because Biden running would not be contrary to the Constitution, unlike Trump, whose candidacy is a clear violation of the 14th. The rule of law should apply to everyone - not just the poor.
Like Hitler, who was democratically elected before ending democracy in Germany?
Yes, exactly.
Hitler wasn't directly elected. Hindenburg won the election vs Hitler for president in 1932, then later Hindenburg appointed Hitler as chancellor after nazis became the largest party in the Reichstag. Hitler got to work using nazis and other right wing parties in parliament to pass laws to give more powers to himself (using excuses like the Reichstag fire), and then later usurped presidential powers as well after Hindenburg's death.
But your point still stands, democracies have failed before and America isn't immune to that. It could happen in America too. And some of Trump's plans in 2020 and his plans for 2024 are very similar to the nazi playbook. They kind of tried to pull a Reichstag fire on January 6th by blaming antifa or the deep state or whatever crazy conspiracy theory they cooked up to try and distract from their failed coup.
no he wasnt
I mean parliamentary countries say their head of government, say their leader is elected, but it's just short for the "majority party has a leader". There's no requirement in my country for the head of government to actually have an elected seat, it's just tradition the head of the party has one. Usually if the leader has no seat, a member in a "safe" riding resigns and he gets a seat that way, or alternatively, appoints himself to the Senate. The person doesn't actually have to do either, head of government is a cabinet position, not a parliamentary position. Speaker and house leader cover that in parliament.
Trump doesn't seem to really care whether he wins or not, just in case you haven't noticed...
Just like last time, he'll claim that he's won if he's ever even slightly ahead, and he and his cult will harass people to "stop the count".
Just like last time, he and his cult will resort to violence and insurrection to overthrow democracy even if he loses.
You have to remember that a large swath of (generally) younger people are wildly misinformed/uninformed on the actual power of the presidency. They have the idea that the president can universally override all powers of the other branches at any given time and/or that both other branches will be captured (conveniently while a given dictator-to-be is in office) in a significant enough way that whatever piece of legislation the president outrightly wants, they will receive.
A lot of people act like the president has unilateral power, not just younger people.
He doesn’t, there’s checks and balances in Congress and the courts.
But the courts are stacked and Congress is pretty closely split by which side of history their members have historically been on.