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[-] Clubbing4198@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago

you're undermining democracy

Democracy has forever been synonymous with class based societies. It has split entire countries into two barely-distinctive political parties (conservative and "progressive") that are nevertheless permanently at each other's throats. Even in its most libertarian-friendly forms, it has constantly failed to avert hierarchy, coercion and the authoritarian machinations of majority-groups.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Despite the issues IMO the way to fix democracy is not less democracy.

[-] Clubbing4198@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago

the problem is democracy: Western democracy originated in ancient Greece. This political system granted democratic citizenship to free men, while excluding slaves, foreigners and women from political participation. In virtually all democratic governments throughout ancient and modern history, this was what democracy meant. An elite class of free men made all the decisions for everyone. Before Athens adopted democracy, aristocrats ruled society, so "rule by the people", or the idea of a government controlled (in theory) by all its (free) male citizens instead of a few wealthy families seemed like a good deal. But really it was just a new iteration of Aristocracy rule rather than the revolution it's painted as. The rich still rule society by feeding voters carefully constructed propaganda and keeping everyone poor, overworked and desperate to be granted basic needs by the state.

In democracies today, only legal citizens of a country are granted democracy. In a lot of countries, people who have been convicted of a "crime" are denied the right to vote, regardless of how long ago they served their sentence. In the US, this is used to deny voting rights to minority groups, who make up a large proportion of the prison population.

In some societies only a small minority group are allowed to participate in the democracy. In Apartheid South Africa, the minority group (European settlers) granted themselves democracy and excluded the native majority, using democracy to deprive the native population of the rights granted to European settlers. Anarchy, of course, is an absence of government; of rulers. Democracy aims for the individual to be governed, ruled, controlled by others.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

The rich still rule society by feeding voters carefully constructed propaganda and keeping everyone poor, overworked and desperate to be granted basic needs by the state.

Democracy requires an educated and inforned electorate. And that is what the political rhetoric and lawyers have destroyed.

Keeping everyone dependant on their shrinking wallet makes them easily led, aka Vote your pocketbook, into defunding education, libraries,etc.

The rich still can afford to pay for quality privatized versions of these things.

[-] Clubbing4198@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Democracy requires an educated and inforned electorate

Only enough to understand the propaganda that they are fed. Its amazing how little higher educated people know about neurodivergence, LGBTQ+ experiences, class consciousness, indigenous cultures and lifeways.

We live in an ultra-capitalist society operating on the ableism, classism, racism and sexism that defined ancient grecian and roman politics.

you're right that people are voting against their interests, both dems and republicans

the vote with your wallet rhetoric sounds good when you realize that you have less dollars than a multinational corporation. so we've tied political and civil freedom to the ability to pay for what you think they should be? that means the rich will always win. and this vote with your wallet rhetoric is parroted by people making less than 50k/year because they think being an american libertarian is edgy

this post was submitted on 27 Feb 2024
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