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The growing controversy over Israel’s Eurovision song entry
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Israel is not even in Europe
Honorary colonists.
Most Israelis are just immigrants from Europe/US. Even the singer in this article is actually Russian. Netanyahu's real name is Mileikowsky. He graduated from Cheltenham High School outside of Philadelphia.
Their current president Isaac Herzog is the first Israeli President actually born in Israel. His mother is from Egypt and his Father is from Ireland.
Given the nature of Israel's foundings this should be not terribly surprising. Israelis are just whites from Europe and The US.
Skin cancer must be pretty prevalent in Israel.
(Like it is in Australia)
What are the odds?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-sizzling-israel-skin-cancer-awareness-week-shines-light-on-safety-in-the-sun/amp/
Eurovision has very little to do with being in Europe. Even Australia is in Eurovision, and they are definitely not in Europe.
Hey don't blow our cover we have them tricked.
Beautiful.
Oi cunt don't dox me
They should call it Europe ‘n’ Friends.
Yeah it's basically more like "white-o-vision" or "Colonizers and allies"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest
If you scroll down to the participation section, you will notice that all of northern Africa and some of middle east is eligible to participate(it has to do with old Telegraph networks). And some of them are participating or participated in the past.
Most dont participate because Eurovision is gay as fuck and these countries dont like that. And because of Israel's participation.
Nowadays pretty much anyone can join. Even China was about to join but because they censored the broadcast(because one country had a gay singer and another had a tattooed one) the EBU kicked them out
Source?
Hungary left because it was too gay.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest
Turkey left because they didnt like the scoring system and because of lgbtq "In August 2018, İbrahim Eren, the Director-General of TRT, stated that TRT does not plan to return to the contest and break the boycott for various reasons, citing Conchita Wurst's participation and eventual victory in 2014."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest
Lebanon almost joined but didnt due to Lebanon's laws banning the broadcast of Israeli content. Qatar, is outside of EBU, but kinda wanted to join but things seem to not have progressed since then. Tunisia tried to join but eventually withdrew because of Israel. Morocco participated once in the past, didnt do well and left. They also have issues with Israel.
Generally their main issue is Israel but do you honestly think they would be ok with a song like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaolVEJEjV4
It is just that their Israel issue supersedes their issues with lgbtq. But if somehow everyone in Middle East loved Israel tomorrow, most of them would still abstain from Eurovision because of the lgbtq. In many of these countries, women arent even allowed to wear a miniskirt, do you think they would be willing to show Eurovision uncensored?
PS Turkey even won Eurovision in 2003, and had plenty of top 5 finishes in the following years.
So based on your comment, Arab and north African nations didn't refuse participating because it's gay. It's because the organization harborsca genocidal entity (Israel).
Yeah I don't see the issue and I'm an Arab myself. There's homophobia in our land, but I'm not sure why you people act like we're the only exceptionally homophobic place on earth. I sense its a projection of how your nations handled homophobia at its peak. Arab nations are unlikely to have a song like this of their own, but they won't boycott the competition for it.
Wrong and you have nothing to prove this :)
Wrong. There's probably like one or two countries that do this (depending on how far east you are including). Saudi Arabia is the notable one (the state created by Britain), and Iran if you go that far east.
Not Arab or north African.
Do you think that Hungary and Turkey are more conservative than your average arab nation? If lgbtq is an issue for these countries, dont you think it is safe to assume that this will be an issue for most arab countries?
Given that Hungary literally bs outwardly said "we don't like euro vision because it's too gay" and Arabs said "because it harbors a genocidal state", then the evidence is clear. You people have this notion that only Arabs are exceptionally homophobic. What more does Hungary have to do for you to stop Arab exceptionalism?
Just the first google results i got
https://www.equaldex.com/surveys/acceptance-of-homosexuality-arab-barometer
According to this poll, only 5-26%(varies a lot by country) of people living in arab states think that homosexuality is an acceptable practice(the rest is no/unsure/did not answer, which might be unfair to lump them all together but still)
And according to this
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/
49% of hungarians accept homosexuality
Are you saying that these polls are misleading and that most people in arab countries support lgbtq people/relations/rights? Do you have any polls that support your position?
These polls are misleading because they ignore many factors. Yes, it's true middle easterners are less likely to proclaim support for LGBT (and that's what the link you provided prices). In Europe (and particularly Eastern Europe), there's the issue of rampant hate violence against LGBT, often even by their own family. This is pretty rare in the middle east. I would consider this a more important issue than that poll reveals.
This isn't to say the middle east is an LGBT paradise in any sense at all. I still acknowledge it is a homophobic place. Those who are publicly LGBT will unfortunately face rejection and ostracision by society, and most LGBT only keep it secret except to trusted friends and family. Moreover, some middle Eastern governments go after LGBT activists and influencers. I think this doesn't happen much in Eastern Europe anymore (I didn't check every country so I may have missed some).
In the end, it's not all black and white. Two homophobic nations may still handle and express their homophobia differently, and homophobia may not always be the issue on top of mind. The LGBT cause is not something that's top of mind in the middle east like it is in the west, and in the times where it does come up, it is often about a stupid conspiracy theory of the west trying to force LGBT on them, rather than something internal.
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It only has to do with being an ebu/sister org member which many arab states are eligible to compete, but refuse to do so since Israel is in it/ in some cases having laws preventing the broadcasting of anything Israel was involved in making.