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[-] TheControlled@lemmy.world 73 points 8 months ago

Genocide Joe? The US isn't committing genocide, it isn't even a proxy war. It completely adds a level of responsibility on Biden that isn't his to bare. I'm not saying he has none, but that's farcical.

[-] glizzyguzzler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The US has an outsized influence on Israel. The US bankrolls Israel, and provides weapons. The US provides $4 billion annually for Israel to buy weapons, guaranteed cash for the military. The US is the main trading partner with Israel and provides loans with really low rates. US firms open factories in Israel (like Intel) via direct subsidies to boost the Israel economy. Edit: this was just ran today https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/israel-weapons-sales-loophole

The US is clearly in a proxy war with many factions in the Middle East via Israel, as the US props up and enables Israel. The US literally was in a proxy war with the Soviet Union when Israel and Egypt were duking it out. Israel being the US’s proxy in the Middle East did not end just because the Soviet Union ended.

The US (and Biden) has major responsibility, is directly linked, and could exercise a lot of the influence the US pays for to halt the genocide of the Palestinians.

[-] TheControlled@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Yeah, I know all that stuff. Ally ≠ genocide by America and half that shit you said isn't even relevant. USSR proxy war? And? Israel was a weapons supplier and mule for the US's. So was Egypt. What are you on about?

Still, some responsibility, yeah.

[-] glizzyguzzler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I laid out the evidence that the US is in a proxy war with Hamas via Israel (and the entire Gaza population because the country of Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people), as you said the US is not in a proxy war.

So I gave plenty of relevant info that the US heavily props up Israel, making them a proxy since they will do the US’ will as the US ensures Israel does not economically collapse.

Then I gave evidence that Israel was in an actual proxy war when the US had a near peer, the Soviet Union. The US and Soviet Union duked it out via their proxies, Israel and Egypt. The MiGs did so poorly that the Soviet Union actually sent their own pilots in since they assumed the Egyptians were awful https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition but those MiGs were up against F-4 Phantoms and you can fathom who kept Israel well supplied with everything they needed during the various wars.

The US is egregiously responsible for the genocide since it provides at least half of the military budget of Israel right now, if not more, and Israel is literally a proxy of the US’ will in the Middle East and has been for decades.

Edit: the genocide is very bad right now and needs to stop. Hence people made a safe protest vote, because anything is better than nothing when already 30,000+ Palestinian civilians have been killed.