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Rape doesn’t exist now?
And you’re completely ignoring my comment, to cherry pick the very last line.
Did you really want to go to the edge cases?
Firstly, edge cases are important. You made a generalized statement, and stated it as fact. You don’t see how that’s a problem?
Now are you going to respond to the actual comment, or skirt around the question because it doesn’t suit your narrative to engage such a situation?
Edge cases are fine, but they are almost always a distraction. And to answer your question, under rape, that is much more tricky and the libertarians that are pro-life will be split on that. So a yet even smaller portion of libertrians will be in favor of "forced birth" in the case of rape. I am not even giving my opinion on the matter, I am just telling you the two viewpoints.
Rape isn’t an edge case. 26,000 rape victims have been forced to give birth in Texas in just 2 years (Source).
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So whose body do you want to control based on your personal beliefs that aren’t very widely held and your gut feeling about situations that aren’t comfortable to you?
Liberty is an emotionally difficult stance. It’s bold and demands you permit that which you do not like. You seem to love the idea of holding that stance though you struggle with actually having it. You’re just a sparkling conservative
So when does the fetus get the rights to control their body?
When it can live outside of another person’s body. Just like how no matter how much I want a kidney that you promised me if you decide that you are no longer willing to undergo surgery to give it to me, even if I’m already knocked out to receive it, you can back out. You are the ultimate master of your body, but so is everyone else.
Okay, so then you believe that a person has rights when they can survive outside of the woman. So then the humanity of a fetus depends on location of the mother because in some countries the fetus can be born much earlier due to medical technology. That is not a logical stance.
I believe that the fetus’s right to live doesn’t supersede a person’s right to not be pregnant. That is a logical and consistent stance.
Thats not a logical stance if you dont have a logical point at which the fetus gets rights.
At no point is any person ever required to maintain using their body to keep someone else alive. If it’s your job and you don’t do it you may need professional consequences but never jail.
The fetus has rights but they all fall below that right of bodily autonomy.
That is what makes pregnancy a unique situation, another person is required to keep a fetus alive. If the fetus has the right of bodily autonomy, then the consensual act of making it was the consent to carry the fetus 9 months.