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Donald Trump won’t give ‘a penny’ to Ukraine if elected, Orbán says
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Comparing Putin to Hitler is absurd. Get better comparisons. Not every war is a threat to global peace, and acting like it is minimalizes the things that actually are. Just because you dislike that he's trying to take a small sliver of Ukraine which voted to secede from Ukraine, doesn't make him after global domination.
"Oh poor little Putin only wants to steal the entire land area of Greece and the homes of eleven million people"
Ahh yes I too take referenda run by occupying militaries very seriously
Whether a Hitler comparison is valid or not, your take here fucking sucks
Hitler also held referendums under military occupation.
Surprisingly easy to win an election with so many of your political opponents are held in prison camps or stuffed into holes in the ground.
Hell, I'm pretty sure that's the Floridian model for democracy for the last 30 years.
He just wants access to the port in Sevastopol, he just wants Crimea, he just wants a bit of Eastern Ukraine...
Peace in our time!
While Chamberlain was applying appeasement, he was also rapidly upgrading the UK's military capability.
He then fell on his own (proverbial) sword, to let Churchill take power.
Don't compare these Muppets to a politician who actually did what he could to slow the wolves down enough to fight back.
You are quite right to raise this point.
Relevant wikipedia article for those who are unaware:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement
The whole article is worth a read. TLDR: Chamberlain's legacy and foreign policy has been (partially) re-evaluated.
Might be worth remembering that while Tories like Chamberlain were busy appeasing Hitler's Germany, they were significantly less dovish towards Lenin's Russia.
British Tories endorsed the White Army in its war to reclaim Moscow, following the 1917 revolution. Brits participated in the blockade of Russian ports and harassment of their officials through the collapse of the Tory government in 1921. And the Brits, with Churchill as their Chancellor of the Exchequer, conducted a kind of Cold War with the Soviets well into the 1930s. The Munich Agreement was, at least in part, an effort to contain the Communists of Czechoslovak Sudetenland.
So much of the Western treatment towards the Germans during the 30s was, at its heart, a response to the failures of the Romanov Government at the end of WW1. And there was significant speculation - particularly with the Soviet economic boom of pre-WW2 era - that they'd be the Big Bad all the western powers were going to have to rally against. So Germany was - both directly by US business and indirectly by British appeasement - propped up as a regional counterweight.
Comparing Hitler to Napoleon is absurd. Get better comparisons. Not every war is a threat to global peace, and acting like it is minimalizes the things that actually are. Just because you dislike that he is trying to take a small sliver of Czechoslovakia which voted to secede from Czechoslovakia, doesn't make him after global domination.
People like you 90 years ago.
Those people were wrong, but I'm right. Most people who say what I did are right. You're leaving out the many, many times in history a country did not try to take over the world after winning a war.
This asshole is a troll. Don’t feed him.
You can say what you like about my views, but I do believe them. Y'all are way too quick to deflecting. Why do you need to reflect if I'm so obviously wrong?
Nazi.
Typical contrarian, get better at trolling 😎
Typical lib, deflecting all criticism with accusations of trolling. Or better, call me a Russian agent, that'll prove you're right.
I don't have to prove I'm right.
this is a forum for discussion, not a debate stage you stooge.
That can't be true, you sure seemed to be on a debate stage when you were looking for any reason at all to dismiss me entirely.
Please move your account to hexbear (which most of us have already blocked) so we don’t have to listen to Russian propaganda talking points on the civilised side of Lemmy. I find it straining to block individual users.
You're saying that a primarily American community, centered around a podcast run by 3-4 Americans, is Russian propaganda? C'mon bro, listen to yourself.
"Why won't you debate me about why the earth is flat?! Why do you need to deflect if I'm so obviously wrong?"
The answer, by the way? Because it's obvious trying to have a reasonable discussion with you is a waste of time and energy. Consider this reply a freebie.
Oh, and I highly suggest you don't conflate "we shouldn't let Putin invade even a little bit of land" with "being a lib". Not exactly a great look for liberal opposition if you do that.
Comparing it to a flat earth theory is ridiculous, it is entirely possible that the popular opinion, especially among Americans, is wrong. American media has historically been quite unreliable about foreign affairs, often intentionally.
lemmy.ml yet again showing they're a clownshow of tankie nonsense.
He's not after "a small sliver of Ukraine", he wants ALL of Ukraine.
That's not what he's fighting a war over. Has he taken any land that wasn't part of the initial declaration? I see zero reason to think that what he has said and which he is currently doing are lies.
Putin has said repeatedly that Ukrainians and Russians are "one people" and a separate Ukraine doesn't really exist. It seems you haven't been paying attention.
The Kremlin posted propaganda piece, written by Putin, doesn't seem to be loading for me, but there's a Wiki on it here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians
"Putin openly questions the legitimacy of Ukraine's contemporary borders.[9] According to Putin, the modern-day Ukraine occupies historically Russian lands,[9] and is an "anti-Russia project" created by external forces since the seventeenth century, and of administrative and political decisions made during the Soviet Union[5] (a BBC article traced the term "anti-Russia project" to some Russian conspiratorial writing of 2011–13).[10] He also discusses the Russo-Ukrainian War, maintaining that "Kiev simply does not need Donbas".[11]"
Which is, of course, nonsense.
https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/ukraine-history-fact-checking-putin-513812/
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russia-and-ukraine-one-people-putin-claims
Not for lack of trying though.
He's been doing it overly since Georgia during the Bush administration. Shutup Nazi.
That does t make any sense, Russians are historically the most anti Nazi country.
Exhibited by all the black, Jewish, openly queer, etc, people walking about town safely all day? "But muh talking points on my troll farm faq pdf from corporate!"
Exhibited by the fact that they fucking murdered almost all of them. Meanwhile America was handing them money left and right.
So it's anti Nazi to genocide the other? Then sure, you're the biggest anti Nazis. Just shut the fuck up anti Nazi.
It's anti Nazi to murder Nazis. Russia did that the most, and this they are the most anti Nazi country. Are you trying to read it as that stupid "antifa are fascists" BS that used to get spewed by morons?
I don't know why I'm engaging your bad faith bullshit but here goes. Russia was allied with Nazi Germany the majority of the invasion and conquering of the West. Only after Germany betrayed Russia did they start killing Nazis, out of necessity.. most of which did the work themselves by freezing half to death. And that was 80 years ago. Today, they're committing genocide, kidnapping children, leveling civilian cities, threatening nuclear war. Cut. The. Shit.
You're going to accuse ME of bad faith bullshit and then try to tell me a fake version of history? Russia was literally at war with Germany before America was. And no, they're not committing genocide, or any of that shit. I highly suggest you get your news from places less biased than USA, historically they have produced a fuck ton of fake news, especially about Russia.
Lmao sure, kid.