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Europe will lose all credibility if Russia wins in Ukraine, warns French president Macron (www.telegraph.co.uk)

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The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

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[+] nivenkos@lemmy.world -37 points 8 months ago

Honestly it feels like the only reasonable outcome is a division like Korea, and focus on modernising and liberalising West Ukraine.

[-] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

So... west Ukraine up til Moscow and east Ukraine for the rest?

Edit: apparently we need an /s

[+] nivenkos@lemmy.world -15 points 8 months ago

That isn't realistic, and Russia has nuclear weapons too.

The best bet is that the regime will be toppled in Russia with time, just like the USSR was.

It's better to lead by example with free institutions and free markets - the people of Russia will want freedom too.

[-] gian@lemmy.grys.it 10 points 8 months ago

That isn’t realistic, and Russia has nuclear weapons too.

And so ? Should we let them to do whatever they want just because "we have nukes" ? I

[+] nivenkos@lemmy.world -7 points 8 months ago

No, Biden should send the US army as he has the ability to do so.

But he is too weak to stand up to Putin, especially in an election year, so compromise is necessary.

[-] circasurvivor@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

You think Biden is unwilling to start WW3 because it's an election year?

[-] nivenkos@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

Keeping the troops in Ukrainian territory wouldn't start WW3. The UK already has troops there.

[-] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 8 months ago

No, Biden should send the US army as he has the ability to do so.

US does not care about Ukraine, they only antogonize Russia. Then yeah, given what we have seen on the battlefield, if NATO will go boot on the ground Russia probably will have some serious problem (not that now they have not).

But he is too weak to stand up to Putin, especially in an election year, so compromise is necessary.

Maybe from a US point of view, but here we are discussing Europe.
It is about time that Europe (and EU) begin to be what we say we are.

I think that here Macron is damn right. Russia must not win this war because any concession we do to Russia now will be seen as "we can do whatever we want because in the end they fold".
Putin tried to take Ukraine exactly because EU and US did nothing when he took Crimea (if not talking).

And this whatever the US say.

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