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[-] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

What is the benefit of no systemd?

[-] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 29 points 7 months ago

It's too popular and it works too well.

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago

Not true, doesn't work well at all. It's bloated and full of bugs.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I literally haven't run into a single one in the whole time Arch has been using it.

(I installed Arch shortly before it switched to systemd and have been using it since without pause)

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago

You must be running hardware not older than 4 or 5 years. Try running it on hardware 10+ years old.

[-] throwwyacc@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 7 months ago

What are the systemd bugs that are so bad? I kinda get the bloated comment, but I don't really mind when it serves its purpose

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

Closing handles on services that for god knows what reason, just hang. Also stopping and starting services again doesn't always work as intended.

[-] throwwyacc@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 7 months ago

That's interesting. I've never had any issues with systemd directly mainly with poorly setup default configs I'm a big fan of a centralised place to manage services. Works super well with podman quadlets

But I'm not too invested use whatever works for you I reckon

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

I'm also a fan of centralized places to handle things (I prefer having just one package manager, not the package manager and flatpak and pip and god knows what else), but there are other init/service managers.

[-] DickFiasco@lemm.ee 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The main benefit is that when people get tired of distro flame wars, they can move on to init system flame wars.

[-] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

With the price of energy being what it is, people need the systemd flame wars to keep them warm!

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

No, I just don't like systemd. It's bloated and full of bugs. Just because almost every distro out there uses it, doesn't mean it's good.

[-] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

I'm feeling warmer already, thanks!

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago

OK, I have to admit, i kinda fell for it 😂.

[-] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

It made me chuckle, so thanks for that!

[-] zloubida@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago
[-] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I have no horse in this race, I don't have strong feelings about it either way as long as it works. But I can't help but notice that OP skipped replying to me.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

OP said “bloated and full of bugs”.

I've been using Arch since shortly before they started using systemd and literally never ran into a systemd bug.

I have no clue at this point what “bloated” means. Maybe if everything works and you don't have to hack up your own solution all the time, that's “bloat”?

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