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Why shouldn't I hate Christians? Or Muslims? They cause nothing but pain in this world
Don't hate individuals. Hate their doctrine.
Yeah that's fair. I still don't like to get very close to religious people though just due to past trauma in my life.
Don't hate fascists, hate fascism.
What was the religion of most of the most harmful people of the 20th century?
Probably not possible to accurately know. Death tolls from all major offenders in the millions
Yeah exactly. If you look at the top bad guys of last century, the names that will roll into your head should be; stalin, mao, hitler, pol pot. And what you will notice as none of those guys had a paticular religion and were maybe even anti religion. So the idea that religion is the thing that causes the harm doesnt make any sense.
Hitler called himself a Christian.
Hitler was not a christian, he literally wanted to get the christian influence out of german society.
Hey look, Christians conveniently claiming that Christians they don't like aren't really Christian!
I really need to learn some slurs for Christians and start using them more
In the private Tabletalk interviews Hitler talked about his deep Christian beliefs, which he had always talked about publicly. He wanted to create a German National Christian church in the same model that England has its own national Christian Church with the King as the head. (Anglicans).
If Hitler wasn't Christian, then British Anglicans (the majority of all Christians in Britain and North Ireland) aren't Christian either.
If he wanted to create a national "church" then it would have been a church to use as a tool/organization, and he was still not a christian. Which would still be the attempted destruction of the church.
So the Church of England, that is the Anglican church aren't Christian?
George H Bush wasn't Christian because he was Anglican?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliations_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
And here is Martin Luther, the founder of Protestism:
"burn down Jewish synagogues and schools and warn people against them"
"to refuse to let Jews own houses among Christians"
"to give young, strong Jews flail, axe, spade, and spindle, and let them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow"
"We are at fault for not killing them."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
Hitler was only doing what Martin Luther said needed to be done.
In your opinion, which branch of Christianity is actually Christian? Orthodox?
Apples and oranges. Hitler hated christians and was going to destory the church, making a state run church is not christian.
Building a German National Church so that German Christians would be free to practice their faith outside of foreign control is the opposite of destroying the church. Henry VIII didn't destroy the church.
Anglicans exist. George Bush Senior is a Christian.
Hitler was following the teachings of Martin Luther, the founder of Protestism.
No, that is not how national churches work, and I am done explaining this to you. Just trust me (and everyone else) that Hitler was not a christian.
I quoted Martin Luther. "We are at fault for not killing them." Was Martin Luther a Christian?
Hitler said he wanted to create a church in the model of the Church of England. He couldn't have been more clear. Wanting to create a Church of Germany exactly like Church of England isn't destroying a church.
Anglicans are Christians despite being members of the Church of England. Henry VIII didn't destroy Christianity in England.
Christianity has killed way more than those individuals could ever dream of
Sure thing bro, commands like "love thy neighbor" just throw people into a murderous craze!
What about two commandments for cheating on your wife? A greater sin than murder lol
It only exists to control people
I will tell you this once because I feel like I am going to waste my time, but maybe it will stick. Christianity has a bunch of rules, and it has nothing to do with controlling people, it has to do with the best functioning society and what is actually good for people. It is the reason why western civilization has done so well for so many centuries. Things like cheating on your wife is bad for society and for the individuals, that is why it is prohibited. My comment is an outside observation of what the religion of christianity does, other religions have different features.
That's why you're not allowed to eat shrimp or wear cotton polyester blends. It's also why you can beat your slaves but not kill them. It also caused the crusades, Salem witch trials, justified slavery in the US, justified the prohibition against interracial marriage, started the KKK, actively works to have women killed if they have a non viable fetus, actively works to kill homosexuals who won't stay in the closet, burns books, is currently committing genocide in Central Africa, molests little boys, caused the Bosnian Genocide, preaches "love thy neighbor" while lynching folks, celebrates when a trans person is shot, sends people to conversion camps that literally tortures them, molests even more kids, blames weather events on gay people, and comes to my fucking house, right to my fucking door, to try to tell me that I need to accept Yeshua ben Yosef or their magic fairy that they don't have any real evidence of is going to spank me.
I don't need that kind of hate to tell me not to go around murdering people. I already don't do that. I don't need it to tell me not to rape. The Bible says that's cool as long as I pay her dad but I'll go a step further and just not rape anyone. I certainly don't need that jackass Paul telling me anything because he didn't teach the same thing Yeshua ben Yosef taught, but there's a whole shit pile of his rules and regulations in the New Testament. And if I wanted a drugged out weirdo telling me about the end times I'd go listen to Crazy Tommy talk about his vision of the Neverending Story while he's dropping acid.
Practice your religion. If it keeps you from raping and killing then I'm all for it. But practice it in your closet, not on the digital street corner for all to see. Because if you do that then you already have your reward.
This is just a series of strawmen or ignorance to the subject. Why do you take time to write comments like these when they dont mean anything?
Christians and religious people in general make up a substantial portion of charitable work around the work. So I think that easily disproves your claim that they cause nothing but pain.
Really your statement just comes across as childish and uninformed probably because of the large amount of propaganda you consume from places like this.
Why shouldn't you hate 55%+ of the world? Do you really believe more than half the people in the world contribute nothing but pain?
Also why didn't you include Jews? They're the root of Abrahamic religion and currently the "Jewish homeland" is engaging in genocide.
It's just silly but also worrying that you could have such a skewed view of reality.
I also feel the same about Jews. There aren't very many religious beliefs I am tolerant of.
Charity and religion have nothing to do with each other btw lol. People can be charitable without being religious.
Christians, for example, are only "charitable" because they are trying to recruit members. Do you have any idea how much wealth is sitting at the top of the catholic church hierarchy?
https://www.google.com/search?q=religion+and+charity
You already said it yourself, the majority of the world is religious. The two things aren't correlated though.
Now google "residential schools" or "the crusades" for example lol
Apparently you didn't read any of the hundreds of studies mentioned there showing religious people are more charitable.
Yeah to recruit members, it's just a business.
Ever been to eastern Europe and visited the fancy gold plated cathedrals? Notice who is driving the new Mercedes s550 parked in the parking lot, and notice what the church attendees are driving. Charitable my ass.
You have anecdotal claims. They don't rise to the level of proof that the studies I mentioned do. Your claim is easily proven false, it doesn't matter if you can't accept that.
Well, go give poland a visit, it's not the watered down version of christianity that americans are subjected to. They literally run the entire country. That's what happens when you let religion take over.
I'm not downvoting you btw, it's kind of refreshing speaking to a religious person on lemmy haha
What studies? You posted a Google search and have made about a dozen claims with no backing in his thread alone
My dude... you are debating with an account that is less than 1 day old and has less than 20 comments (most of which are with you).
Nothing good will come out of this when they need a burner account to state their beliefs
Ugh... Reddit all over again
Thanks for the heads up
my brother in hell, if I believed in religion, and my religion says giving some amount to it or someone else gets me express pass to heaven, i'd be donating like crazy too. I'd be donating more if I know I've done horrible things and need more "blessing."
The charity doesn't negate the bad things religion has done.
Charity is good. Charity in the name of god or any other purpose is bad.
If Christians didn't hamstring non -Christian groups and government services at every turn, there would be no need for these charities and/or the most popular charities would not be the ones feeding bibles to starving people.
I dont mind Christians being charitable. I do oppose them using it to recruits or to pressure people in need to listen to their preachings. That's not charity that is exploitation. True charity wants nothing in return.
Religious charity work is a recruitment tactic. It exploits the vulnerable, converts them into religious people and voters. And by voting for the right, they'll contribute to the rotting of the very same social services that churches exploit.
I work as a desk clerk in a Hungarian social institution, and the people that should be responsible for mental health instead more preoccupied with converting people to some form of christianity, all while we supposed to be "secular" on paper.
Religion and austerity are good friends.