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It has a stop paying for genocide button.
It has a stop vetoing UN resolutions button.
It has an impose sanctions button and a freeze assets button.
It has a pull their warships out button.
It has dozens of make life really uncomfortable for Israel if it doesn't fucking stop committing genocide buttons.
But at the very least it could stop actively helping them commit genocide.
They did use the stop vetoing resolutions button. Not much but it's not nothing.
Sending their warships would mean Israel would try calling their bluff and force USA to commit an act of war to stop them, which would cause absolutely chaos in the region. They probably should start with sanctions though.
Biden's biggest problem here is he's so focused on backrooms negotiations, that he's not using some of the options that could increase public pressure, and all other people see is old treaties continuing with very slow changes and seeing the continued actions of the other party who doesn't really want to negotiate.
I mean withdraw their ships already in the area, replace that layer of defense with, oh I dunno, thoughts and prayers maybe.
You're one the types that demand we leave Iraq and then gets upset when we have to face the consequences of doing it.
They also claimed that the resolution is non-binding, which is contrary to stated international law.
And what does that do?
Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.
These things don't happen in a vacuum.
Biden isn't rubbing his hands with glee and laughing maniacally.
Do you honestly think these options weren't considered over the last six months?
On the contrary. The majority of the population doesn't approve of supporting genocide, especially Democrats and prospective Dem voters further left.
The status quo of supporting the genocide isn't winning over anyone who would vote Republican if they stopped. It's alienating millions of crucial voters who won't vote at all if they DON'T stop.
We can easily agree that not voting is a bad idea that is likely to contribute to the risk of mango Mussolini winning.
Given that, we should be able to also agree that it's a bad idea to knowingly keep doing something morally and ethically reprehensible that is causing people to do just that.
Makes it harder for Netanyahu to continue committing genocide.
We shouldn't keep supporting genocide just because you're scared of what the GOP might do. That's a shitty reason for anything, and it's disgusting cowardice in this context.
What happens when your high morals cost American lives here at home? You'll learn a lot about cowardice when living under authoritarian rule.
In before, "just have a bloody war."
I did not suggest voting for Trump or not voting for Biden.
I said that Biden should stop supporting genocide.
Is your position also that we need to endlessly discuss bidens position on Isreal during an election year? Or are there other issues that we need to address as americans?
Such discussion becomes inevitable as long as he continues to support genocide. It's one of the reasons he should stop. Thank you for letting me know that you have more of a problem with people talking about genocide than you do the genocide itself.
I have a problem with people obscuring trumps demented presidential run with shit we already knew about Biden in 2020. I voted in 2020s primary and it wasn't for conservative lite. Elections have consequences and if you can't live with those consequences what the fuck are you doing?
You have a problem with anyone who says the genocide you've always wanted should have less support.
I wanted? I didn't vote for Biden in the primaries. Can you not read?
I said you always wanted genocide. Are you saying that a vote for Biden is a vote for genocide? Because I didn't say that. I have been consistent in my position that he should not support genocide.
Why would you say I wanted genocide, thats like me saying you wanted genocide.
A vote for Biden in 2020s primary was a vote for genocide. I will gladly say that because that is where the DNC fucked up and where they had the opportunity stop it.
A wrong move right now is poised to exacerbate the whole situation but you frankly you do not care. That is why I would say YOU want genocide.
Because you want silence from anyone who opposes it.
The wrong move would be Biden continuing to support genocide.
You can't just torture logic to say everyone agrees with your positions.
Read your own words.
I don't support genocide. That is why I will vote Biden and do all i can to avoid a Trump presidency. Trump, who has called for the extermination of the Palestinians. I will also continue to vote for progressive candidates who have a progressive voting record.
Some things are beyond your control. Bidens policy on Isreal is likely one of them.
Doesn't mean you throw away democracy like a god damn imbecile.
For the billionth fucking time, I AM NOT VOTING FOR TRUMP. I AM VOTING FOR BIDEN.
You don't care if Biden loses as long as he keeps supporting genocide.
I want him to stop supporting genocide, partly because failing to do so will cause him to lose, but mostly because it's fucking genocide.
If you're voting for Biden, I would ask you to actually want him to win. Rather than this game of chicken you've committed yourself to.
I do. It's why I want him to stop supporting genocide.
But not by actually doing the things that would help him.
Such as uncritically worshiping him for enabling genocide?
.... wow dude
I'm just asking for you to be pragmatic so we don't end up in a dictatorship and you can't even consider what that even means.
No, you absolutely are not. I have already said who I'm voting for and that's not enough for you. You just want me to shut up and love the biden/netanyahu genocide as much as you always will.
I want you to actually consider the words you are saying rather then be an emotional mess.
If Biden ever stops supporting genocide, you'll support Trump.
Lol. Grow up.
Stop supporting genocide.
I'm not the one actively working to get Trump elected.
Neither am I.
Biden should stop supporting genocide, even if costs him your vote.
I'm laughing all the way to bank as you continue to expose yourself as acting in bad faith.
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith
How so, the guy continues to accuse me of supporting genocide when I've clearly stated I do not.
Edit:
Oh lord, I've drawn out a troll king.
You say I support Trump when I do not. Fair's fair.
Where?
Your behavior is consistent with being paid, yes.
I'm not the one pretending that "Biden should stop supporting genocide" and "I support Trump" are the same sentence.
Where?
We could also talk about how we still don't have Medicare for All yet if you'd want.
The fact that he's supporting genocide with our tax dollars seems very relevant though. Trump and Bush never even did that
Should we also not support healthcare, trans rights, women's rights, work reform , tax reform, climate change laws and all the other things they get angry at? The road to fascism is paved with political convenience.
I'm worried that'll be their next strategy considering their pivot strong right on immigration
Most of those things are a part of the democrats platform. Isreal is categorically different.
“Oh, I’m so sorry, I’d love to stop the genocide, but think of the optics! It would be soooooooo optically bad if we stopped the genocide! It could make the fence sitters vote for trump! We all know the fence sitters love genocide!”