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Comparison XMPP/Matrix
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What is an actual popular client that uses xmpp
On Android and IOS, i like Snikket.
On desktop, Gajim
Conversations, Cheogram, Dino are the ones I've used.
Conversations is paid and has like 100k downloads, and it looks like it's from Android kitkat. The other two don't even exist on the app store. Do you consider these to be popular? I'm looking for actual popular apps, just like I can say Element for Matrix.
Wat. Conversations is on F-Droid… and it’s the basis for Blabber, Cheogram, Monocles, etc. It’s the most influential XMPP application in the Android space.
Literally never heard of any of those, or see any community link to them. Is that really what XMPP considers their most bleeding edge clients?
Then you need to meet more communities 😅
Also for the sake of chat, what’s something truly innovative since the heyday of AIM & IRC? There just isn’t many useful bells & whistles to be added in the last decade. The newer XEPs for stickers+message reactions have been out with some new clients picking them up, but these aren’t something fundamentally changing how folks speak.
Double ratchet e2ee and asymmetric communication
I was referring to the experience (encryption is usually felt as something transparent after it’s set up). However both Matrix & XMPP have e2ee even if the implementation isn’t identical (OMEMO allows per device).
What is “asymmetric communication”? Only one side can talk?
Asymmetric communication allows communication when one party is offline. One of the biggest issues with XMPP is both parties need to be online..
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0203.html
I've not yet had issues with messages not getting delivered when recipient is offline.
Which server do you use that caches messages for you, and how do I know if a given XMPP provider has implemented this functionality?
Also, does it also work with e2ee messages?
I know Prosody does & I’d put money on ejabberd supporting it too but I’ve not looked it up. You can check compliance for Conversations using https://compliance.conversations.im/ which includes message archive management + carbons or use a client that exposes a servers supported XEPs. Yes, it works with encrypted messages.
Gajim, Profanity. There’s probably a Weechat plugin. There’s also handful of JS ones, but I like the polish of Movim (and it’s also a client for an entire decentralized social media platform if you want it to be).
Pidgin?
Doesn’t support OMEMO for encryption, just OTR which is quite limiting given how most folks tend to chat on multiple devices now.
XMPP is great but the clients are all really bad.
Session is where it's at.