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China using families as 'hostages' to quash dissent abroad (www.bbc.co.uk)

submitted 1 year ago by BrikoX@lemmy.zip to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/863209

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[-] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

What is with the China apologists in this thread? Wtf??

[-] psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 year ago

This, my friend, is the absense of neocon/neolib censorship and propaganda that you were so used to on corporate social media.

Isn't it great?

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Strange, I never had any trouble on Reddit talking about socialism.

[-] psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As long as you don't question that the enemies of US imperialism deserve it you should be mostly fine. The big geopolitical topics are more sensitive.

I was permabanned from multiple subs for sharing this telegraph article for example:

https://web.archive.org/web/20230701133656/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

It differs from sub to sub but the bigger and more political the stronger the imperial narrative is enforced.

r/worldnews is one of the worst, and honestly suspect its astroturf and run by assets or a derivative of an imperial institution (council on foreign relation, think tanks, the likes)

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are literally pictures of bloodshed.

I legitimately don't understand why Leninists are so keen on making folk heroes out of tyrants. Why exert the energy to defend this shit instead of learning from it and building a better class of socialist??

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I'll listen to western leftists when we actually take power and have to learn to use it to defend ourselves, currently we have a big fat 0 in the wins department

[-] GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

There are literally pictures of bloodshed.

Not in the Square itself, which was the scene of many absurd claims by defectors, like the "tanks crushing people to wash them down the gutters" cartoon bullshit.

Here are interviews with some of the leaders of the protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA

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[-] psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I legitimately don't understand why Leninists are so keen on making folk heroes out of tyrants.

What a sentence! You're jumping to conclusions all over the place!

You're conflating information with a desire to "make folk heroes out of tyrants", trying to denormalise a desire to understand what was actually happening.

There was bloodshed but not on the Tienanmen square and the conditions are less clear than you believe

It is obvious that most peoples idea of what happened is heavily influenced by propaganda, I know mine was.

If you could stop sabotaging efforts to cut through the disinformation that would be great thanks

Also: "They are tyrants" thanks I'll defer judgement as long as the evidence you present us with turns out to be propaganda, there are other "tyrannical governments" much more in reach

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

A big part of my gripe here is precisely the idea that one can engage in critical analysis of statecraft, while hand waving away inconvenient statecraft. Or worse - supporting broad censorship of inconvenient statecraft.

[-] psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A big part of my gripe here is precisely the idea that one can engage in critical analysis of statecraft, while hand waving away inconvenient statecraft. Or worse - supporting broad censorship of inconvenient statecraft.

I have no idea what that sentence is supposed to mean.

My gripe here is that nobody can have an informed opinion on foreign policy if they do not acknowledge the tons of pro US propaganda that surround them on EVERY issue in this category and dominate most of it.

It is important to call you out on your power-serving statements.

You tried to push critical thought out of the overton window when you painted it a kind of sacrilege ("make folk heroes out of tyrants") and everyone engaging in it someone that needs to be shunned by society (a "tankie").

Mind you all without addressing, let alone contesting, the facts.

With all due respect: As long as your actions are indistinguishable from those of a US intelligence social media asset, don't expect any good will engagement.

Have an open mind and start to reflect a little more

[-] socsa@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

But I am fine criticizing the US and acknowledging US propaganda. I do it all the time. You are the one dismissing anything which doesn't align with a very narrow ML head-cannon as indicative of being a US intelligence asset. And you are telling me to have an open mind?

Buddy, there is an entire world of socialist thought and literature which diverges from and challenges ML dogma. Either you are unaware of this, or you are so narrow minded that you see anything outside of that script as some monolithic enemy.

[-] psilocybin@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Call me buddy all you want but it doesn't change the fact that you are not good at making sense

Why are you jumping to conclusions so weirdly?

Case in point that complete second half is you responding to conclusions you've drawn up in your head. Re-read this thread, nowhere is it ever about ML or socialism. You think its accurate to call me ML because...?

This thread is about US propaganda on reddit, which I characterized by posting a fact that is affected by it with the goal of facricating consent for military action against another country.