I'm fond of saying that all great code earns it's right to become good code by starting as trash...

But I still think we should all quietly and politely let Spring die a simple dignified death, as soon as possible.

Out of wildly morbid curiosity, do Maven and Ant still shit all over each other to make sure no one has any real idea what the build inputs and outputs are?

I shouldn't ask things I don't really want to know, though. My inbox is gonna be full of Java apologists.