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Those red and blue dots are damned close together for one guy that incited a coup, kept mein kampf on this nightstand writes love letters to Putin and IL.
Biden is nowhere near where I want him to be policy-wise, But to try to put them close together on social issues is disingenuous
The political compass site is far from scientific.
Because the political compass is a lie meant to perpetuate "both-sidesism".
It's also an excuse for the people on r/politicalcompassmemes to act like an "enlightened compass"
Let's look at the vertical axis. Would you agree Biden is pretty much as Authoritarian as Trump?
Not remotely. Both are very much right wing, but there is a wide and wild ocean between the two in terms of authoritarianism.
Exhibit A against Biden
https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-antiterrorism-and-effective-death-penalty-act/
What is the Trump authoritarian equivalent?
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-capital-punishment-brandon-bernard-lisa-montgomery-1234664126/
His use of federal death penalties that he did a record number of at the end of his presidential term as an attempt to raise support for his re-election using illegally supplied drugs that can't be used for that anymore.
To the point that part of his re-election campaign is still in death penalty but using firing squads or hanging as his alternative to lethal injection since they could be made public to scare citizens against acting out and again he accidentally helped make illegal the drugs he used in federal executions.
Trump is chasing populism, but the Biden team is not exactly proactively against capital punishment.
Biden could tell the Justice Department not to pursue the death penalty, but he hasn't.
Harris kept the death penalty available when she was California attorney general.
Through inaction, the Democrats are being equally authoritarian.
Sure but there is currently 0 federal death penalties and he has stated there will be no more while president and kept the illegality of the drugs for lethal injection keeping it hard for states to perform and isn't buying more.
He may support the idea of it but isn't supporting the action of it.
Making him less authoritarian for sure.
Not equal. That's your own bias wanting an outcome. Sorry but no I'm gonna be factual in the ways I think they are problematic not reactionary.
Those convicted are still on death row. Their experience of authoritarianism hasn't changed from one president to the next.
My point is not to use Trump as a yardstick, or even attack Biden. It's to give perspective on how authoritarian the whole of US politics is.
No that's very clearly not what you are doing.
You have a point you want to make regardless of nuance or fact. There is no death row federal inmates, because now there is no death penalty.
If you don't think there is a distance between actually being killed and being imprisoned then you are disingenuous. There are and even good arguments over what is nicer but they do fall to different levels.
You moved the goalpost after being called out, so while I can agree it is authoritarian I can not trust that you aren't just tryna ng to look trustworthy when already shown to be not.
The point is that Biden (and most of us politics) is authoritarian. There is no nuance. Only fact.
An example of there having been no executions ... yet, is not a liberal flex.
The goalpost is steady.
No. Grow up.
Biden regarding black people: “Superpredators”
Biden regarding Palestinians: “Kill their women and children if you have to.”
No that's Hillary "I deserve whatever I want" Rodham Clinton
He made the bill she used to say that but his actual idea on what made someone a "predator" was being born out of wedlock.
... He's not great but let's get it right at least.
Don't bring black people into this. Obama chose Biden as his VP twice. Also, black people were key voters in winning Georgia, cementing Biden's victory. They obviously like him.
I'm personally not a fan of Biden. But it's not like we have real options to choose from.
https://news.gallup.com/interactives/507569/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx
At least among non-white people, his approval has gone from 80% at the start of Biden's term to 46% now. So... he was popular with certain demographics before. Now he's not (except democrats, liberals, and postgraduates still have an approval rating above 50%). He has a higher approval rating from boomers than non-whites now.
The thing about approval ratings is, you may dislike a solution but favor it above others. I totally understand disliking Biden but still voting for him.
I think current polls are flawed and the people who "dislike" Biden will still vote for him. The public is fickle and enthusiasm will be determined by an event closer to the election.
At this point in the 2008 election, Obama and Hillary were neck and neck. John Edwards was still in the race for the Democratic nomination. Of course, Biden had not yet been nominated for VP. Literally ignore everything until late September.
Fucking vote.
Please stop using the political compass. Perpetuating right wing propaganda and misinformation is not helpful.
Which one do you suggest?
One what? The left/right spectrum is a complex web of ideals. On the right you have consolidation of wealth and power and on the left you have egalitarianism (equally shared wealth and power).
The extreme right contains power structures like dictatorship, monarchism, and oligarchy.
The extreme left contains power structures like direct democracy, anarchism, and communism (lower-case C; inclusive of, but not limited to, Marxism).
There is no "leftist authoritarianism" - that's an oxymoron - authoritarianism in any form is nothing more than garden-variety rightism. Rightists appropriating leftist terminology to confuse and control the populace is a bog-standard rightist strategy. It's really that simple.
And where do you think, no access to free healthcare, no access to free education, legalized lobbying, criminalised prostitution, industrial military complex, for profit prison system, falls into that spectrum?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the democratic party is not about to change any of those.
It seems like you just made the point without getting the point.
The US Democratic party, its leadership, and the majority of its members are right wing. There is nothing to be surprised about here.
Being “less to the right” than violent, fascist Republicans doesn’t make them leftist, it just makes them “less to the right”.
Actually studying political science
Don't assign good boy and bad boy points to things like "everyone should have access to basic necessities" and "kill everyone with more melanin than me" at all.
That's how you end with the "Hitler was a centrist" bullshit PCM was selling.
Why don't you join a political party and start a grassroots campaign to replace First Past the Post?
Or maybe you already belong to a party, and are just trying to create apathy to prevent people from voting Democratic to ensure Trump gets re-elected?
Or maybe I'm not American and I'm just pointing out there is no "Left" in America
Careful now. That sounds a lot like encouraging people to vote 3rd party in the upcoming election.
They didn't say anything about voting in presidential elections. They said start a campaign and advocate for the change they want see.
Lol okay buddy.
Fuckin' wrecked nerd.
Campaign in which party smart guy?
Any party you want in local elections, jesus fucking christ, do you not know what fucking “grassroots” means? God damn.
They didn't say anything about local elections bud. The fact that you're pulling that out of your ass says you see where I'm going with this.
Yeah, pretty much nowhere.
Let's say I join the green party and start a campaign and try to get people to vote for me. Surely you wouldn't all discourage anyone from voting for a 3rd party candidate right? Wait, never mind, I don't need to run because there are people who did join the green party and election reform is part of their platform. Surely it's fine to vote for them right? Oh and they're running a candidate for president this year. The thing you're telling us to do already exists.
Except, you knew that's where I was going with it so you added the local elections restriction out of nowhere.
And here's the part where you go "no no not like that you can't vote 3rd party you'll throw your vote away".
I used to believe in the Green Party, twenty years ago.
That's fine. I still won't be voting for Biden or Trump. Perhaps that will make people realize the Democrat party is non-viable in it's current state.
I think Left and Right should be renaned to People Feeding and People Eating
Thats confusing because the left eats the rich.
Ew. No. I'd really rather they just be mulched.
Head removed and on a pike preferably, just to try to reduce prions in the soil and as a nice decorative piece.
Yeah, probably just another Democrat bot posting about 🔵 🌊
"Biden is less authoritarian than Trump!" I cry as I'm dragged into the back of a police cruiser for criticizing Israeli. I'd go into further detail, but the police are currently gagging me, beating me with their batons, and harnessing me to the Palestinian Chair