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‘I love my country, but I can’t kill’: Ukrainian men evading conscription
(www.theguardian.com)
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Evading conscription for a defensive war is disgraceful. To then turn around and say you love your country is a slap in the face to everyone who is currently fighting and who has fought.
I'm sure Anton would argue disgraceful is better than dead and I don't think I could disagree with that on a personal level.
go sign up for the foreign legion instead of telling other people to go die
That doesn't make sense.
What part of if you want the war to continue then you can go fight it yourself is your peanut sized brain having trouble processing?
Where did I say I want the war to continue?
You said that evading conscription is disgraceful, implying that people have a duty to die for the regime which is what allows the war to continue. The whole premise is the height of idiocy. People have no obligation to go and die for a western puppet regime in Ukraine.
He didn't say, he wants to fight for the Russian regime, that started and drives the war
So how should not helping Ukraine stop the war?
Forcing people to fight does the opposite of stopping the war. What part of that is so darn hard for liberal mind to understand?
Men do have a moral duty to fight to defend their country. This does not mean you HAVE to it only means its the moral thing to do (from my own moral perspective).
A moral duty to defend your country if called upon is not what allows the war to continue its the elected leader that gets to decide the war ends. Ukraine isnt calling up conscripts to extend the war, they are calling up conscripts in a response to increased russian troop numbers and to cycle troops off the battlefield so they can rest. Without conscription the war continues but the odds of losing are even higher.
Nope, nobody has any moral duty to defend a regime they don't believe in. Period. The fact that you think people have some moral duty to fight makes you a psychopath. The war is already lost, and prolonging this horror is what's actually immoral. Every single scumbag who advocated for prolonging it has blood on their hands.
Yes people do have a moral to defend their country from invasion regardless of which democratically elected government is currently in power. You are purposefully changing the language, Its not a moral duty to fight its a moral duty to defend.
Yes I agree, but its not over until the leader decides it is. The only person with blood on their hands is the leaders who continue the war. Because the leader is elected to make decisions on behalf of the people if the leader says men aged 25+ need to enlist then our boy in the article should enlist.
Do you believe at all in civic duty? Do you think people have a societal obligation to follow laws in a democracy?
No, people do not have a moral duty to defend things they don't believe in. The fact that you can't get this through your head is absolutely phenomenal. Blindly following what the leader decides is fascism. You are a fascist.
"Things they don't believe in" is incorrect since the article states he clearly believes in the country of Ukraine and participating in their democracy.
He clearly doesn't believe fighting for it. Actions speak louder than words fash.
Yeah because he's a coward with no morals.
The only coward with no morals here is you.
I'd rather be a disgrace than a corpse.
I have a lot of respect for people who are willing to put their lives on the line for a cause. I'm not one of those people, and I can't shame anyone for finding a way out of it. I'm not willing to die for lines on a map.