-93
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] walnutwalrus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

non-ionizing radiation, which does not damage cells or DNA

well, that's the point of the discussion because there is not consensus that is true:

"When theory and observation collide: Can non-ionizing radiation cause cancer?"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0269749116309526

Evidence of free-radical damage has been repeatedly documented among humans, animals, plants and microorganisms for both extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic fields (EMF) and for radio frequency (RF) radiation, neither of which is ionizing. While IR directly damages DNA, NIR interferes with the oxidative repair mechanisms resulting in oxidative stress, damage to cellular components including DNA, and damage to cellular processes leading to cancer. Furthermore, free-radical damage explains the increased cancer risks associated with mobile phone use, occupational exposure to NIR (ELF EMF and RFR), and residential exposure to power lines and RF transmitters including mobile phones, cell phone base stations, broadcast antennas, and radar installations.

back to comment

Microwave ovens do not expose tissues to microwaves

I guess there would be concern that they could if they leaked (microwave harm reduction as a related topic)

Microwaving food does not affect its nutritional value negatively

I think it's accepted that it does, along with cooking, but this was thought to be a trade off for killing possible diseases.

can preserve some nutrients better than other cooking methods, such as boiling or frying, because it reduces the exposure to heat and water

That would be true all else equal, but it's argued microwaves possibly create unique damage

This is not unique to microwaving

Raw food advocates would argue against microwaves and other non-microwave cooking methods though

The Swiss Federal Office of Public Health, which issued a press release in 1992 stating that Hertel’s study was not scientifically valid and that there was no evidence that microwaved food was harmful to health

it's possible they could be correct but also possible this is a fallacy of appealing to authority

[-] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“When theory and observation collide: Can non-ionizing radiation cause cancer?”

That paper is written by none other than Magda Havas, the person whom your article in question cited and is criticized for pseudo-science. Try linking to another more credible one next time.

[-] walnutwalrus@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

fair, how about this one?

"Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300355?via%3Dihub

Repeated Wi-Fi studies show that Wi-Fi causes oxidative stress, sperm/testicular damage, neuropsychiatric effects including EEG changes, apoptosis, cellular DNA damage, endocrine changes, and calcium overload. Each of these effects are also caused by exposures to other microwave frequency EMFs, with each such effect being documented in from 10 to 16 reviews.

[-] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I won't comment too much on this since it's straying further and further away from the original topic, which is microwaving food, not microwaving yourself. I'm also not familiar enough with biology and electromagnetism to give a conclusive argument to the paper. HOWEVER. Just a quick question to you, did you actually read through the paper and its citations, thought through its testing methodologies, and came to your own conclusion, or did you just search for "WiFi bad" and reply with any article or "scientific research" that pops up? Cause there is definitely no shortage of bullshit articles and even scientific studies online, as Abraham Lincoln once famously said:

If you read it on the internet, it must be true.

If you're just going to post whatever pops up in the search engine without thinking through first, I doubt the discussion is going to be any more constructive and would be wasting everyone's time.

this post was submitted on 01 Aug 2023
-93 points (3.0% liked)

General Discussion

11946 readers
1 users here now

Welcome to Lemmy.World General!

This is a community for general discussion where you can get your bearings in the fediverse. Discuss topics & ask questions that don't seem to fit in any other community, or don't have an active community yet.


🪆 About Lemmy World


🧭 Finding CommunitiesFeel free to ask here or over in: !lemmy411@lemmy.ca!

Also keep an eye on:

For more involved tools to find communities to join: check out Lemmyverse!


💬 Additional Discussion Focused Communities:


Rules

Remember, Lemmy World rules also apply here.0. See: Rules for Users.

  1. No bigotry: including racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.
  2. Be respectful. Everyone should feel welcome here.
  3. Be thoughtful and helpful: even with ‘silly’ questions. The world won’t be made better by dismissive comments to others on Lemmy.
  4. Link posts should include some context/opinion in the body text when the title is unaltered, or be titled to encourage discussion.
  5. Posts concerning other instances' activity/decisions are better suited to !fediverse@lemmy.world or !lemmydrama@lemmy.world communities.
  6. No Ads/Spamming.
  7. No NSFW content.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS