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Biden announces 100% tariff on Chinese-made electric vehicles
(www.theguardian.com)
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The reason why you're saving on Chinese cars is because of huge government subsidies on their side, so they don't play by the rules of the free market either.
Oh, like the time in 2009 when the US government gave $81 billion dollars to the automotive industry? Or again in 2023 when Biden put $12 billion in incentives on the table for them to make EVs?
Nailed it. Sick and fucking tired of hearing the "oh China's unfair subsidies blah blah" bullshit. The US has been doing the same thing, just we've had our futures sold to corporation's profit margins.
Plus the $7500 tax credit for buying an electric car, this is another form of subsidies for car maker.
Show me where I said the USA doesn't do something similar?
Nobody has ever played by the rules of the free market. It's been a scam from day one.
I mean, Our government could do the same thing to keep costs low and competitive instead of just making them more expensive for everyone.
Government giving money vs government getting money
Yeah, basically the same thing 👍
So? I never said the USA plays by the rules, I even used the word "either" in my previous reply.
I think what they're saying is that both countries are subsidising the industries.
Chinese companies are thinking ahead and using the subsidies to sell more vehicles
American companies are, surprise-sur-fucking-surprise, stealing the subsidies to make a few billionaires richer
The reason you're saving on the running costs of a gas car is because of huge government subsidies on the fossil fuel industry.
Show me where I said the USA doesn't do something similar
It's funny how everyone tries to make China subsidizing cars for its population a bad thing. The US should bet taking note. Taxes should be used to help the population, not the people in charge of the population.
Yeah but the right way to do it is to stop oil subsidies
That won't make US made EV cheaper. China relies on what is basically slavery as well, if that's what you want for US factory workers in order to be able to buy a car for cheap car then I think you don't have your priorities straight...
Right, those prisoners working unionized jobs in car factories
My comment wasn't about Uyghurs specifically but Chinese work conditions in general
Tell me how much money the CEOs make then tell me how much worker wages have to do with how expensive the cars are.
GM's CEO makes 28m/year
A drop in the bucket with their 170b in revenue
Their factory workers make way over 20$/h, some make way over 50$/h.
How much do you think Chinese factory workers get paid?
Selling, General & Admin Expenses For General Motors
If you include the incentives across the entire business, rather than just fixating on a single employee, you discover a figure equal to around 5% of the $171B in gross revenues. It should be noted that even this is a conservative estimate, as General Motors licenses and contracts to third-party businesses with their own administrative expenses.
In the China versus US size stakes, it’s what you measure that counts
Because of the cheap cost of living in China, their factory workers can earn less on paper and still live much higher on the hog. Often literally (Chinese consumers eat about 5kg more pork per capita than their American peers). But also in terms of home ownership rates (90% in China to 60% in America) and retirement age (54 in China compared to 59 in the US) and life expectancy (78 in China compared to 76 in the US).
If you consult the Gini Index, the US and China are within 2 points of each other as of 2021.
This is largely thanks to the big public works financed and administered by a unified national government. A relatively poor country can produce quality of life superior to the global leader simply by doing the old FDR style tax-and-spend tricks that put America at the front of the pack 80 years ago.
China's public education, public health care, public housing, and public mass transit: Evil Subsidies
America's $7500 tax credit: Sensible free market EV incentive
Then the US should match that and subsidize Electric Vehicles. Everyone wins.
Also uiger slavery
In order to get subsidies, companies have to concur in public exams pitching their plans. It's no different whatsoever from getting private funds somewhere else. Private funds are often obtained by way of being close friends with someone - which happens a lot in my country. If anything, getting government subsidies is proof that you have your act together.
It’s a free market.
So is imposing tariffs then
And as a free market, I should choose if I want to pay them.
GM and Ford manufacture in China. It doesn’t affect American designed and Chinese produced vehicles, only companies that are based in China.
These “free market” arguments keep missing the key detail. Reading is hard.
I don’t remember China subsidizing American products and then shipping them back to us.
One funnels money into American business, the other into the Chinese government. It’s not some secret plan. It’s clearly declared.
Apple has been getting the hell out of building things in China — if you hadn’t noticed.