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What does that have to do with being pedantic?
Habit from work
I don't think you know what pedantic means. Or unskilled.
From my understanding, pedantic is a pedant, which itself means "a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules". And aren't we debating the usage of words unskilled from the post? I agree that "unskilled" is inappropriate since it implies it doesn't require any skill at all. There are always skills involved. I also disagree if we call one job requires "more" skill than another. "More" implies that skills are hierarchial (at least to my understanding, because you can have more or less amount of something) whereas I think it is not. I think a skill is a skill, and what makes them distinct is how rare a skill is. Rarity however, doesn't imply having "more" skill. A person can be MORE SKILLED IN THE SAME SKILL. Not across different skill. Hence why I said surgery doesn't require MORE skill than burger flipping. They are distinct skill. If surgery requires MORE skill than burger flipping, then if a person is a good surgeon, he is a good burger flipper.
Dude, let it go and learn to say I was wrong thanks for correcting me.
Being wrong about being a pedant or on opinion? Also, the reply doesn't specify any correction, just stating that I don't know what being pedantic and unskilled is. And I do admit I am being pedantic from my understanding of pedantic, hence the current discussion. I do love to argue for the sake of arguing. I can learn a lot from arguing. So if people would like to debate me, feel free to do so. Please state what about my statement that is wrong?
You're not just being pedantic, you're also misinterpreting what people mean, probably deliberately. You're also ignoring the fact that some people have more skills than others.
Well, forgive my english then as it is not my native tongue if I really misinterpret something. And as I said, I think more skill implies skill has a level, not in difficulty mind you but in terms of proficiency. And yes, skill does have proficiency but you cannot compare those proficient in surgery to those that are proficient in flipping burgers. Someone can be more proficient at surgery than another, but to say a surgeon is more skilled with a burger flipper is just as wack in my opinion. Let's put it this way then, maybe the disparity is too big between surgeon and burger flipper. How about a software engineer and a surgeon? Which one is more skilled? See? It doesn't make sense as a concept. Even if learning it takes less effort and hurdles, you cannot compare different sets of skills.
My dude it's not about rarity. It's about how long it takes to acquire a skill, and what kind of aptitude you need to have, and how difficult it is. Also one person can have more skills total than another. You can't say that learning to flip burgers is as difficult and time consuming as learning how to do brain surgery. Are you nuts?
Yes, a person can have skill in both surgery and cooking. I do not dispute that. Even surgery is too broad as it contains a more specific skill set. But you cannot say that a surgeon is more skilled than a burger flipper. Then how about a surgeon and software engineer? Which one is more skilled? I hope you get my point this time