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This is interesting, hosting their own server. It is kinda like truth.social.....but with actual truth.

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[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 year ago

I saw a bunch of people getting upset and defederating cause apparently the BBC is transphobic. I followed because I've got hardly anything interesting to look at on mastodon.

[-] elouboub@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Eh... that's their problem and they're free to defederate as long as they don't harass others to defederate.

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago

I just think it looks really bad when the largest instances defederate over minor things.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago

What did they do that is supposedly transphobic?

[-] ConstableJelly@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know this isn't a convenient response, but Shaun has been leading some concentrated pushback against BBC's transphobia for like a year. Check out some of his recent videos for a detailed answer. https://youtube.com/@Shaun_vids

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago

I kinda don't care enough to watch a whole YouTube video on it, to be honest.

[-] elouboub@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

It's a single article The lesbians who feel pressured to have sex and relationships with trans women, which was previously named "We're being pressured into sex by some trans women", that's being used as the brush to paint the entire BBC transphobic.

If people bothered to read the decision which led to the amended article, and the amended article itself, they would read:

Ultimately, it has been difficult to determine the true scale of the problem because there has been little research on this topic - only one survey to my knowledge. However, those affected have told me the pressure comes from a minority of trans women, as well as activists who are not necessarily trans themselves.

and

Angela created a questionnaire for lesbians and distributed it via social media, then published the results.

She said that of the 80 women who did respond, the majority reported being pressured or coerced to accept a trans woman as a sexual partner.

The survey was not statistically valid since the respondents were self-selecting and Get The L Out is an active campaigning group on lesbian issues. But while Angela acknowledges the sample may not be representative of the wider lesbian community, she believes it was important to capture their "points of view and stories".

The article is a description of the problems within the queer community itself that seem to be experienced by a minority, brought upon by the extremes of another minority.

The reaction to call the BCC "transphobic" seems to me like a very twitter-esque reaction based in identity politics and hardline "if you're not with us, you're against us" tribalism.

[-] ConstableJelly@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I can appreciate wariness toward the kind of tribalism you describe in your last paragraph, but in this case the BBC has actually acted irresponsibly, and you quoted one of the big reasons why from their own article:

The survey was not statistically valid since the respondents were self-selecting and Get The L Out is an active campaigning group on lesbian issues. But while Angela acknowledges the sample may not be representative of the wider lesbian community, she believes it was important to capture their "points of view and stories".

#1, Get the L Out is not "campaigning on lesbian issues," they're campaigning on anti-trans issues. Their stated aim is not to improve the social status and wellbeing of all lesbians or something, but rather to exclusively define lesbianism for all lesbians in such a way that excludes trans women, full stop. From their own website:

Lesbians are exclusively same-sex attracted.
Lesbians do not have penises.
Lesbians do not want to have sex with men who identify as trans-women.

Because of this, #2, the article is in no way and never was "a description of the problems within the queer community" (Get the L Out makes this helpfully clear in that the tagline of their group is "Lesbian not Queer." The article is, in the most generous interpretation, a description of a radical trans-exclusionary group's grievances deliberately obscured to masquerade as "problems within the queer community."

And #3, at least most of the respondents (to my recollection and again, self-selected from a group by definition pre-disposed to this grievance) had never felt direct pressure from a trans woman for sex, but rather felt pressure or fear of condemnation due to their own discomfort with trans acceptance.

There are actually many other issues with the article, and the BBC has dragged an anchor in making any corrections. I don't think this discredits them as a news source in general, but this and other examples do show a pattern of transphobia in the organization at large.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago

Rabidly screeching at anyone who disagrees with them is kinda a trademark of the trans community at this point, we also saw it with the debate around trans women in sport.

They need to accept they're not above criticism, and aren't always right.