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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 62 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The chicken vs egg question has never been about chronology or science.

It’s been about religion vs science.

Science says the egg came first: something nearly imperceptibly not quite a chicken laid an egg that hatched a chicken. That’s how evolution works, with the egg coming first.

Religion says a god poofed a chicken into existence. The chicken came first, and only ever laid pure chicken eggs. The eggs will forever hatch a chicken and nothing but a chicken.

That’s the chicken vs egg thing. It’s not a puzzle at all, it’s just science vs religion.

e: simplified. I’m too wordy by default.

[-] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 29 points 6 months ago

I've always interpreted it as which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?

But I'd just like to point out not all religions have that view of creationism vs evolution, and even within Christianity it's really only your super conservative, and very loud, fundamentalists. Catholicism doesn't have an official stance on evolution, iirc, the Episcopal church in the USA is fully supportive of evolution, as are most mainline Christians. Not to detract from your point or anything, I just don't like seeing all religious people, or all Christians, lumped together with some of the worst examples of religiosity that the US has to offer.

[-] InternetPerson 2 points 6 months ago

Religion is usually bad, so I don't have an issue lumping them all together.

[-] Chobeo@discuss.online 1 points 6 months ago

Jesus is the Ted McGinley of family gatherings.

[-] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 1 points 6 months ago

C'mon man Sikhs are fucking chilled out

[-] InternetPerson 10 points 6 months ago

Compared to other religions, I understand that take, if we neglect stuff like not living up to their own doctrine of, e.g., equal rights between women and men, or the Khalistan movement, which has caused death and abused human rights on several occasions, also by killing civilians.

Still, as most organized religions, it became emergent as a tool of mass control and subjugation. Moral behaviour is not formed by critical thought and self-reflection, but by devotion to some mysterious higher power. Which is and always has been a core issue of problematic behaviour we can so often observe today with religious people. A side-effect is that it has the danger of hindering progress and societal evolution by having a creationism as one of it's core teachings, as far as I know.

A further form of subjugation, hindering freedom of individual human (and harmless) expression, can be found among the Kakkars. For example the "dress-code" with having uncut hair, cotton undergarments etc..

I could go on. So to make it short, no, religions are usually detrimental for the long term constructive development of humanity and Sikhism is no exception.

[-] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 0 points 6 months ago

A lot of what you say can be applied to other, non-religious cultures, not least that of the west, albeit in different measure. Any society will develop an overarching system of rules and standards; it's necessary to avoid anarchy, which is more inimical to the broader progress of mankind. People naturally band together, it's an evolutionary trait, so regardless of what intangible strictures those tribes are subject to, there will always be friction between and indeed amongst them. Voltaire said "If God did not exist it would be necessary to create him." and he was dead right, he just didn't mean 'God' in the strictly theistic sense.

Ultimately, people are people, meaning they need reeling in or things go to shit. Perhaps there exists an ideal set of circumstances under which civilised man can live peacefully without noticeably impinging on his moral objectivity, but let's not hold our breath. As long as there are groups, there will be some cunts who tighten the shackles for everyone, whether it be by breaking the rules, or making the rules.

So yes, all religions are bad, but in the spirit of catching all, I'd go broader.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago
[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Whats a little light assassination between friends?!

[-] jaagruk@mander.xyz 0 points 6 months ago

And why she was assassinated? It was her fault.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I'm not sure why you think that's relevant.

[-] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago

This has vibes of "and why was she raped? it was her fault."

To be fair though I haven't even clicked the link and I know nothing about this. For all I know, maybe this person was literally Hitler and assassination was the only way to stop them. But even then, we can conclusively say that this was not chill.

[-] jaagruk@mander.xyz 0 points 6 months ago

Nope realy poor analogy. Ya she was Indian Hitler.

If a Jew had killed Hitler would u have called it Judaism's fault.

[-] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago

No, but I wouldn't say anything about this was chill

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