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Not really sure whether S-expressions or Python indentation-based scoping get more hate... (programming.dev)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by pkill@programming.dev to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev

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...from people who seem to refuse to install paredit or coloring plugins for either? ps lisp syntax ftw, it's a feature!

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[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 85 points 5 months ago

No, YAML can fuck right off. I hate that this shit format is used for cloud stuff.

[-] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 5 months ago

YAML is the Excel of data formats due to the Norway Problem

[-] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 months ago

OK, that's excessively "convenient" for booleans. But I don't get the passionate YAML hate, seems like a simple enough language for config. Didn't have the pleasure ("pleasure"?) to work with it though, so what's why else is it shitty?

[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 31 points 5 months ago

A property can have the wrong indentation and it would still be a syntactically correct yaml. It’s hard to distinguish whether a line is wrongly indented or not. Copy and paste a line and mistakenly use the wrong indentation, and the entire production breaks.

In json it’s much harder to do similar mistakes.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I think TOML found a pleasant compromise there

[-] firelizzard@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago

It’s hard to distinguish whether a line is wrongly indented or not.

That’s very much not my experience. I use YAML regularly and while I’ve had copy paste indentation errors when I look at the offending line it’s always obvious to me how to fix the indentation. The only indentation thing that’s ever given me trouble is embedding YAML as a string within a file that uses tabs.

[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

Do a search for 'why yaml is bad' and you'll get a lot of stories.

Constant passing problems, especially when the yaml gets very large and complex. After I implemented a new feature I was pulled into a call with 12-15 people demanding to know why it didn't work. The new feature worked fine, The guys yaml had the wrong amount of white space and so it didn't parse.

[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago

White space in the wrong place? Fails Wrong amount of tabs? Fail

Working in a big configuration file that has a lot of nesting? Good luck.

Best part is that most of these things don't throw errors or anything, it just doesn't work and you are left scratching your head as to why your deploy only fails in the production environment.