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[-] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

In my personal experience I've had to go out of my way to find every quality product I've ever purchased, from dishwasher detergent to heat pumps, and none of them were the ones with the highest advertising budgets. You're right that we all have limited time and can't possibly evaluate every single thing that exists, but hype men don't help with that. The professional liars and manipulators that work in advertising only add to the noise and make it take longer to arrive at a conclusion. For example the fact that there are the 12 different brands of space heaters that come in different sizes and shapes and at different price points despite all performing the exact same way. It's like that with literally everything, from bar soap, to maple syrup, to sunscreen.

I think this way because I am autistic. I honestly cannot imagine feeling the need for hype men. The phrase "you need hype men" sounds to me like "you need your abuser, you cannot live without them".

Something like 35% of autistic people attempt suicide because of what the original post describes (and not just in science, but in every aspect of the world). And yeah, I think if I had to work for someone like Steve Jobs or Elon Musk I would as well.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I'm very much the same way. Sales people are just give me hints of what not to trust and usually fold under any sustained inquiry about their product. Skilled sales people know when to turn me over to their subject matter expert. We get to geek and I actually learn a thing or two about their product and, often times, the state of the industry.

One of the things the above post doesn't include are the people who championed her. Between Elliot Barnathan, the cardiologist whose lab she was initially hired into, to David Langer, the resident who was able to get her a job in neurosurgery department, she was lucky enough to have someone who could do the hype while she did her work brilliantly.

In the publishing world, a great editor can recognize the genius of a writer, give quality feedback, and protect them from the moneyed interests.

I don't know if I'd call these people hype men, as they were so much more than hype, but they definitely hype the genius of the patronee.

[-] wanderingmagus@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

You "need" them because the society we live in is built around them. It's the same reason you are forced to learn how to mask - you "need" to mask to survive, to put food on the table, to have a home and a bed to sleep in. This world is commanded by the manipulators, shaped and molded by the manipulators, and if you don't have the skills to swindle your drop of money in the form of a grant in research or investment into your company, your project just dies. Everyone hates it (except the manipulators), but that's just how things are at the moment.